Do you think I should buy this? Its a 30gig media player and I've never had an mp3 player over 128 meg. Do you guys think its worth it? Note the dollars are in Australian so its like a little over half that in American dollars.

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Funnily enough I've been thinking about getting that very same model. Reviews I've read are very positive on it, and Creative are a well respected brand. Not 100% sure about it yet - I really want one that lets me transfer files through windows explorer and while this one does, it only lets you do so on 14Gb of it - but its the top dog on my list just now. If only they did a 60Gb version with full windows explorer access I'd probably have snapped it up already.

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Get an iPod. You can't be dissapointed.

I'd be half tempted to go for an iPod if...

a. It didn't force you to use iTunes
b. I could transfer the files on and off it from any PC, preferably without properietary software
c. Battery life was better

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Anyone heard of Rockbox? Completely from-scratch open source firmware LOADED with codecs (mp3, flac, ogg, wav, wavpack...), plugins (games, e.g. snake, doom), fully parametric EQ, lots of advanced options/features, sounds absolutely excellent and new stuff/tweaks/fixes every day.

Doesn't run on this Vision:M. DOES run on later iPods, many irivers and the iAudio X5 (also some older archoses, but those can't run any codecs except mp3 and wav). I've been a developer of this for a while, though haven't contributed much lately, I couldn't live without it. :smile: Check the site out..

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Yeah ReNo, I'm not too happy with my iPod for those reasons.

I have a 3rd generation iPod and apparently they did a recall because the batteries were s**t. I didn't bother to pay the shipping and waste the time sending it back, and right now I'm lucky if the iPod lasts 4 hours.

Additionally, I'm the only one who can upload songs to the iPod, and it has to be from the very same computer I originally synced it to, which is constricting to say the least.

I used to have a Creative mp3 player and I quite liked it. It was a long time ago, and not very big, so I'm sure they've come a long way since then. The only reason I bought an iPod was that I dropped and broke the Creative player when I was getting ready to go for a run. I'm such a klutz.

Get an iPod. You can't be dissapointed.

I was. For the same reasons reno mentioned (especially the itunes bore).

i say go with it, it sounds like a good deal, i know a guy who has a creative media player similar to that (maybe the same) and he seems quite pleased with it

it seems like a good deal to, quite cheap for what it can do

ReNo said:
I'd be half tempted to go for an iPod if...

a. It didn't force you to use iTunes
b. I could transfer the files on and off it from any PC, preferably without properietary software
c. Battery life was better

idd. thats why i didnt buy an overpriced ipod and bought a Sony much cheaper. better battery (also rechargeable on usb), no itunes, simply lets you put mp3s from your HD on the mp3 player. only negative is the unequal cable lenghts for both ears. one is far to short, i can't understand why.

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I would get it just for the fact that it has the word "ZEN" in it.

Using Rockbox eliminates the need for iTunes or anything like that, it just uses the file tree structure you can copy directly to your iPod, sort things how you want to with folders and stuff. Plus it can index and database all your iTunes music.. or even anything you dump on your disk.

Only thing - for iPods - is battery life, it's a bit less than with original firmware most of the time. For irivers, it's as-good-or-better, sometimes up to 20 hours or a bit more.

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BlisTer said:
only negative is the unequal cable lenghts for both ears. one is far to short, i can't understand why.

I think maybe the longer side is meant to be draped around the back of your neck? So if the left bud is shorter than the right, you drape the right bud behind your neck and then up into your ear? I can't think of any other reason...

I have a creative zen touch and have had no real problems with it and I have always heard good things about creative mp3 players in general. Only major issue with it (may or may not apply to the Vision M) is that you need to install creatve software to transfer stuff and it hacks up the id3 tags and file names so I cant transfer the files back how I like them.

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Hello there.

Why would you want to watch any length of video on a 2.5'' screen? Until they have the video equivalent of headphones available for less than $100, I won't touch a device like that.

However, I very much like my creative mp3 player (MuVo TX FM). Make of that what you will.

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They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

I have one of those cheapo 128 Mb things (around 20 euros here), and I quite like it. I don't like the idea of me running around with an ultra-expensive thing in my pocket.

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Thats the one I've got Tracer. Sadly I'm finding the tiny capacity a little too restrictive these days, and after a relatively hard life, the little bugger is beginning to get temperamental. Rotating the earphone plug while in the socket creates loads of noise in the earphones, and at some angles the sound cuts out partially or completely, which happens a whole lot while it is in your pocket. It also seems to enjoy shutting itself down when I try and do something like change the volume, or pause a song :sad: That makes it slightly worrying when considering another Creative player, but I'm willing to put these faults down to a fairly long life and abused life!

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I have an older creative player. Works great.

Jimmi said:
I would get it just for the fact that it has the word "ZEN" in it.

I wouldn't get it for that very reason. Commercialization of religion is a bad thing.

I'd get the first one mentioned if it were not FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS! Wow, that's expensive. A guy at church has that one and it is truly awesome, but i never knew he paid that much for it!

Oh... It says australian. dollars.

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I'd be half tempted to go for an iPod if...

a. It didn't force you to use iTunes
b. I could transfer the files on and off it from any PC, preferably without properietary software
c. Battery life was better

Sorry, haven't been on for awhile, so I just saw this now.

a) I have been a much happier person since my switch to Itunes. I can find all my s**t.
b) You can
c) 10-12 hours is fine with me, I can't see me ever needing more.

a) My sister uses iTunes and though I don't think it's that bad a setup in general (its probably wonderful for casual PC users), when you already have a music library of several thousand tracks setup just how you want it using windows (and winamp), I don't want the hassle of using yet another "media organiser" exclusively for moving files onto my mp3 player.

b) Oh, I was of the understanding that you can't transfer files off iPods onto a PC, at least not a different PC to the one that the music was put onto the iPod from. My current mp3 player is great for moving music from home to work, for example, as it just appears as a USB key. If you can do that sort of thing with the iPod then thats a point in its favour, but every article I have read about them seems to make out that you cannot.

c) 10-12 hours would be fine, but the people I know with them get only about half of that.

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To be fair, there are third-party iPod drivers (I beleive) to allow them to function as a normal mp3 player should (drag and drop in explorer to transfer). But the fact that you have to download special software from dodgy internet sites for it to act as nearly everything else on the market does out of the box is a bit of a disadvantage. I wouldnt consider buying one. Creative make good mp3 players, I personally wouldnt spend a ton of money on one but if you want tens of gb of storage with you everywhere I guess its pretty good.

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If your battery is only getting 5 hours, then you can replace it with a different one.

I've yet to be dissatissfied with a Mac product.

If your battery is only getting 5 hours, then you can replace it with a different one.

The point is you shouldn't have to.

I've never found myself needing an MP3 player, but if I had a more on-the-go lifestyle I would probably get one.

I've yet to be dissatissfied with a Mac product.

Just as long as you don't start talking about how Macs are so awesome and PCs suck, Frenchy.... I'd be fine with Mac if it didn't purport itself to be better than everything else, when it's clearly a niche market consisting primarily of douchey tech-hipster neo-hippies. Go enjoy your latte-and-Macintosh-fueled circlejerk elsewhere.

/troll :wink:

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Sorry couldn't read the whole thread but I want to tell you that iPods aren't half as great as people say. They have perfect controls and design. But...

It's completely iTunes controlled. MP3s are stored with weird file names and you get all sorts of problems if you don't use apples' programs to arrange your files.

I have the last iPod generation before the video ones and I had so many troubles with it. The sound quality, compared to a decent PC box or stereo is just medicore (with the same set of headphones) which was a huge disappointment for me. I'm not a music expert and could still hear how everytime someone sings an "s" it sounds like he's bitting his tongue.

Also, the Windows compatibility is OK now but using it for both windows and mac is a pain. It's clear that 20 GB are used as a harddisk as well as for music and there the iPod failed so badly. It should work nicely for only Windows or Mac but both is a pain. Not many people care, yes, but it's still annoying. Be happy to get an iPod alternative, it's not as good as the black silhouettes make you believe.

EDIT: I should have read the whole thread. midk, that sounds interesting.

reaper47: Haha, indeed it is - give it a try. Sounds like just what you'd want. :smile: It's nice to be able to set up your own folder/file structure, comprehensive on-the-go playlist setup/browsing/manipulation, bookmarks...

I ended up buying the vison M. Its great, but if you get one update the firmware straight away as it fixes some minor bugs the player had. Its around twice as thick as an Ipod aswell, but to me it feels sturdier. The video quality looks a lot better than my friends 30gb Ipod (latest generation), and you can hook it up to a tv and watch the videos at very good quality also.

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Cool, good to hear an owners verdict :smile:

I've kinda had my mind on what to buy changed though, thanks to the launch announcement about the Microsoft Zune. Dunno if it will be any good, but god damn it looks it to me...

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I got the 256MB version and i love it. Never failed on me.

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You can fit like... 8 songs on that?

I was trying to quote trace bullet, wich apprantly failed.

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