Pepsi presents: Counter-Strike

http://www.csnation.net/articles.php/interview_231/2/

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Why snark works.

Well if the advertising isn't outright intrusive, like a huge pepsi banner in de_dust, then i'm pretty neutral.

I find it more surprising than outrageous. Which could be because I don't play much of CS anyway. :biggrin:

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Why snark works.

I don't play much of CS anyway

Hmm but how long until other game devs pick-up the idea?
Oh I can see it now: UT2008 with tampon ads everywhere.

Fear.

I must say I have no real fears that Valve is using this out of context. In a DOD map, for example, it would look rather odd to have an ad for laptops. Which is equally true for UT.

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Why snark works.

Battlefield 2412, a game that takes place in the year 2142, has intel core 2 duo ads in it.

argument pwnd.

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Why snark works.

I paid for CS now I have to watch adds while playing it? Seriously WHAT THE f**k? There are thousands of CS servers running on someone else cost than Valve and Valve will just get the advertisement money from those servers too? Can you spell MONEY HUNGRY MOTHERf**kERS? They can't even say that this is for server costs... :biggrin:

:sad: I wish I could vote with my wallet, but I've already bought the game 6 years ago so it's a bit late for that... When was the last time Valve released an update for CS? :biggrin:

I seriously hope that there will be a big backlash from this one and Valve will come to their senses.

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

This is pretty much crap unless the ads fit completely and totally within the map IE a faded, dilapidated pepsi add in arabic text for de_dust.

But we all know that won't happen.

i don't really mind, i can't see them really causing any disturbance, as long as they stay away from motion ads

The thing is that I'd never buy a game that would shove ads down my throat and look here, now I get a patch that I have to install that brings them in the game I've already paid for and which EULA said nothing about advertising in game.

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

Just had the vision of a german-held town in DOD...with a large advertisement for ENGLISH beer.

Now even more watery!

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Why snark works.

The thing is that I'd never buy a game that would shove ads down my throat and look here, now I get a patch that I have to install that brings them in the game I've already paid for and which EULA said nothing about advertising in game.

Well, the EULA says that they can seize your house to store chicken in, so... yeah.

EDIT: FOR f**kS SAKE I HATE THIS FF BUG. :sad: Quoting is hell.

The funny thing with EULA and Finnish law is that if the EULA goes to impossibilities it no longer applies. :smile: There has been some discussion even on the M$ Windows Vista EULA and if it applies... Sadly it does ... barely.

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

Ugh, I blew a blood vessle when I read about this. I didn't pay $40 for my HL Platinum Editition just to get updates that allow them to send me adds. It's bad enough that I have to deal with 10 minute long commercial runs on TV -- now this!?

And if Valve thinks they're going to be able to put adds in HL2 Single Player, or various other HL games, and still be able to retain their customer count, I think they've got another thing coming. I already hate valve; just gimme an excuse to never touch anything Valve related again.

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Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

The crack to get rid of the ads should come around pretty fast...

If Valve thinks they're going to be able to put adds in HL2 Single Player, or various other HL games, and still be able to retain their customer count, I think they've got another thing coming. I already hate valve; just gimme an excuse to never touch anything Valve related again.

If it gets you to stop wailing about Sven Co-Op all the time, I'm all for it!

It is rather ridiculous, it's not as if Valve isn't making enough money or something like that. Perhaps they think the modest $20 for CS:S and the longevity of play is a little unfair to them. I would imagine, however, that they're selling less copies of anything they offer now because of Steam. A lot of people loved HL and all the mods that they repeatedly bought the game when they repeatedly lost their copy boosting sales, perhaps insignificantly, but in some fashion.

Or maybe Lombardi got a little EA happy and decided "Ads in a completely unnecessary fashion as a blatant way to make more money is genius. I mean, look at how seamless it is in Battlefield 2142!".

Hopefully they don't do EXACTLY what EA did and monitor your internet traffic to choose which ads are best for you. (I believe that's how they did that)

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

I bet a crack is considered a Cheat or a "copyright infringement", voiding your entire steam account.

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Why snark works.

i hate watching commercials on tv, so why would i want too see them in my game?<br style="color: silver;">

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RUST Gamedesign
pepper design

The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

It's a slippery slope, gentlemen. Soon, they will have a little Advert-bubble floating above every player's head... or pepsi-sponsored model skins or something equallt stupid.

It's bullcrap. They made money off the game, stopped supporting it, then when they realized that CS:S was crap, they started trying to make money off the good one again.

instead of "pop dog" ads they will have pepsi and crap... if they start including everyday products in games that contain never scenarios, kids will start shooting up the school at the sight of a pepsi!

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

I just noticed that many threads related to Valve's advertising plans use Pepsi as the ridiculous, negative example. I did so automatically, it's the natural example for product placement. That company must have done something wrong. Or right? Strange.

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Why snark works.

You know guys, this is exactly why they updated the Steam Subscriber Agreement a year ago. It's a shallow way of sucking money out of old games.

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:: Forceflow.be :: Nuclear Dawn developer

It's the fact that in a fantasy gaming world where so many people go to get away from REAL LIFE, we are going to have ads for real-life products. Most people never hold a Heckler and Koch firearm, but almost everyone has had a Pepsi or a Coke. To see reminders of real life in the gaming virtual world is a horrible blow to the whole industry. when you take the fantasy out of gaming, you're not allowing an escape, and you're also tying reality and the virtual world even tighter so that idiots can blame "ultra-realistic" games. I can see it now, "They even have SODA ads in these games now!!"

I think it's incredibly greedy and inconsiderate for them to change the game like this.

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

[color=white][quote]I think it's incredibly greedy and inconsiderate for them to change the game like this. [/quote]

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but it's ok to have soft-drinks ads on the side of a taxi.....

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i eat paint

I think it's incredibly greedy and inconsiderate for them to change the game like thi

<span style="color: white;">but it's ok to have soft-drinks ads on the side of a taxi.....

But I don't try to escape reality in a taxi... I use it for transportation.
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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

if i told you that nickelplate's avatar is a taxi, and irn-bru is a soft drink, would that explain the light blue of my previous post?

:dorky:

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i eat paint

I dunno about you but because of CS I'd buy myself a FiveseveN if it weren't illegal in the US. Perhaps it IS an effective marketing tool!

five-seven pwns
and a steve augr to go with

Movies do it all the time, and only seldomly do I actually notice.

Some games will do it with tact, some games will advertise more blatantly. I expect Valve to be one of the companies that use more tact. I don't think this is anything to blow your lid over, though - seems like alot of people are overreacting here.

The truth is, when next-gen games are costing 20+million dollars to make, studios NEED to find as many outlets for revenue as possible. We aren't like the movies, where you generate sales from Theatre, DVD, Rental, Television, etc. Games generally have a small window of potential success, then dissapear into the void. Even the bargain bin is precious space.

Oh, and btw, the utter commercialization of every inch of this planet cannot be stopped. Just wait, in 50 years, they'll figure out how to plug commercials into your dreams. You'll wake up with a killer craving for "Pepsi" and a sudden urge to buy tampons.

Moreso than already? Damn, I have so many tampons it's not funny.

Just wait, in 50 years, they'll figure out how to plug commercials into your dreams. You'll wake up with a killer craving for "Pepsi" and a sudden urge to buy tampons.

I'm going to very mad if that were to happen.
I'm pretty sure I'd have to kill the person that figured out how to make that possible. And then I'd kill his company.

www.tmcm.com/comics/webcomics/tmcm040920

Seriously, what is the point of advertisements? They just annoy the hell out of people by announcing to the world what everybody knows, such as the fact that the Coca-Cola Company sells cola or that smoking causes lung cancer.

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Better to be in denial than to be human.

Bill Gates understands binary: his company is number one, and his customers are all zeros.

It's all Spielberg and Hershey's fault. (ET had the first product placement as we would know them today)
He's also responsible for this horrible season known as Blockbuster Movie season. (Jaws was the first "blockbuster" movie, technically speaking)

Though, if it's done well, we wont notice and it will do nothing but add depth to the game since ads are everywhere in real life. Of course, if they do it like in BF2142, it will fail miserably because those ads don't fit.

But, if there is a CS:S map that takes place in a section of New York, or something like that, it'd be rather unrealistic for there to not be McDonald's and Pepsi Billboards.

Though, the way this is coming off now is a reach for more funds. While I thought Valve was pretty knee deep, for the most part (look at how much they made off of HL1, it's exuberant). I suppose the type of development they're doing would cost a pretty penny.
They're pushing a brand new distribution system for the entire game industry for one, updating a very fund invested engine daily, as well as creating brand new content.

I'd imagine they'd need to get some new funds rolling since they're not charging too much for the HL2 Episodes. (Which would appear to be their main source of new title income)

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Andrei said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>I don't play much of CS anyway

Hmm but how long until other game devs pick-up the idea?
Oh I can see it now: UT2008 with tampon ads everywhere.

Fear.</div></div>

that's doable, pending they pull a few strings!

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

They mention in the article that it could provide a new revenue stream for mod authors, though I think they have their own income as much in mind as that of modders with this little move. What I find most annoying about it is that they are putting it into a game that they aren't even working on anymore, so this isn't something they can justify with comments like "if you want us to keep supporting this game, we're gonna need more income from it". That said, I'd rather they put it in a game I don't play than I game I do, so CS1.6 is probably the best choice :smile:

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I hate consumerism. It is the only way that by "giving consumers what they want," you are bombarding them with unwanted ads.

Part of what I liked about games is that everything IS new and different. I like to be in map with adverts for "Pop Dog" because even the ads, which are a fact of everyday life, are different from that in real life.

I'm sure some of you have seen the Seinfeld episode where George's friends all want to hang out with his fiancee. He says "relationship george and friend george can't meet."

well, "Game Nickelplate, and IRL Nickelplate cannot meet"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQeWd7wprs

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

why don't we all just jump on the bandwagon, and make a pile of cash. it can't be long before logging into steam, and playing a mod that has shopping malls that let you buy stuff for real, actually becomes a reality. the snarkpit should make that mod. it would only take a couple of maps, some code, and a 3million dollar licence from valve, and we could be raking it in. steam has also started accepting paypal for steam purchases, so how far away can it be.

imagine, you could watch trailers of games and then buy them, all from within another game. in fact, thinking about it is starting to make my head hurt.

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i eat paint

Makes me want to move to Cuba.

I often wondered when the internet would go 3D. Let's capitalise off of it!

Makes me wanna move to (insert beginning)-stan.

Crono, nobody ever asked for Steam. They saw that they could increase profits by cutting out the publishers, so they did. They are not losing money on STEAM. So, what makes them think they need more!

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

Implying continuous development and maintenance of Steam doesn't cost money is idiotic.

The platform also allows Valve, a relatively small development company, to compete with multi-million dollar companies. Their content distribution allows them more freedom and control.

It would be nice, however, if it had a better support option. SteamPowered.com is just a load of garbage and trying to find anything useful is a chore. By the time you're onto the right track, you don't care anymore.

Just to point out, also, Valve implementing a "Share" system with the Friends network. It will allow to you give limited full game trials to friends on games you own. That is badass.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

I'm not implying that further development and whatever of steam doesn't cost money.

• Valve IS a multi-million dollar company. They own the rights to as many games as many other companies, PLUS they have a system set up to bypass publishers cost. What, if not more money, does this mean?
• Any extra costs incurred by STEAM are a result of Valve's own greed in trying to cut publishers out of the process. So why cut down on gameplay quality (their BUSINESS) by placing ads in their games?
• If it's something like a soda-machine that reads "pepsi" instead of "Soda" then that is fine. But billboards and web-style banners on the scoreboard, that's freakin ridiculous. Ads will destroy gameplay just like they destroy a good webpage. And don't think for an instant that ads wont get more and more intrusive in-game ust like they did in webpages. Remember when a banner at the top of a page was an annoyance? Now they have huge pop-up javascripts that cover over the text you're trying to read. soon, all the muzzle flashes are going to flash ads instead of fire. COKE! COKE! COKE! COKE! COKE! COKE! COKE! COKE!
• Steampowered is HORRIBLE trash. I agree.

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

cut publishers out of the process? seems to me like a great business move.. am i the only one that FACKING LOVES not having to bust out the cds and serials whenever i re-install my games? not to mention updates.. geez. i remember back when i had to install hl, download and install the hl patch, THEN go and track down the 80mb download for cs. since steam, it's just a few clicks and the entire thing downloads and installs. it has its bugs, but any system that takes on such a task is bound to. to me, all the advantages dramatically outweigh the bugs. but anyway,

having a cocacola banner on an in-game billboard isn't going to kill anybody. might make you want a coke, but that's how capitalism goes. unlike many MMORPG networks, steam doesn't charge monthly for its services.. and while valve does have tons of cash, it's not all delegated to steam updates and content servers. in-game advertisements would ensure a monthly upkeep cost, and is exactly the course i would take if i were them.

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

• No-CD crack
• don't be a dumbass who has to reinstall games all the time.. I ahve not reinstalled HL1 in about 5 years and it still runs like a charm.
• I am fine with an occasional coke ads on the wall "as long as its not all bright and shiny in a dull map) I just KNOW they will get more numerous and more intrusive as it goes on.

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

1. unnecessary in light of steam system. why crack when you don't have to?
2. reinstalling as in on other systems. i have my current games installed on 3 PCs, including this one. (at work.)
3. nobody can say for sure. TV commercials have yet to overlay the actual show, rendering it unwatchable.. and that's one of the oldest and most common forms of electronic marketing. i doubt valve will let ads get to that point.. but if you want to be pessimistic about it, go right ahead. =D

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

actually, man, the whole bottom half of TV in cable/satellite TV is taken up by ANIMATED ads. Seriously, it's not a half, but probably a third of the screen has ads for the next show in line... whereas it used to be just the little, transparent logo for the station you were watching.

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

yeah, if i see a big ad show up taking up half the screen in cs:s i might change i mind about the whole ad thing

Excuse me, Valve, but you just turned a little suckier.

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Why snark works.

Those look anything but inconspicuous.

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

I woudlnt mind ads so much if they made logical sense. Like Pepsi in a
vending machiene in cs_office, or a bilboard in a cannal in HL2, or
even a Video game ad on a video game box near a computer (like in
DarkStar with PC Gamer Mag), but this is just stupid.

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