New Steam soon :(

Don't know if you have seen this but there is a new version of Steam coming out soon and when it does it will update HL and convert it to using steam so there will be no WONid's any more in stead they will be Steamid's where one id will cover all the games valve have made (or stole) like FL, OP4, CS, DOD so in stead of many cdkeys you will only need one for the whole lot (or some crap like that) but I realy don't like the idea of that cos I realy don't like Steam.

anyway heres the like to the steam forum thred

look like I'll finally have an excuse to uninstall Half-Life for good 

Steam Sys requirements

Windows 98, ME, 2000 or XP
500 MB HD space
256 MB RAM
1.0 Ghz processor
1GB HD space (strongly recommended)

 

this has royaly f**ked me before I even start cos I have 128MB RAM and a 450MHz processor and there aint a chance in hell I will be getting a new PC anytime between now and when I win the lottery that I dont even p[ay and 1GB HD space this is a load of s**t cos it downloaded 3GB of usless crap that I couldn't use even CS1.6 that took up about a gig and it then told me that I couldn't use it cos it hadn't got all the f**king files .

I realy liked valve and now they seem to be trying to f**k me up the arse but then its all for the good of the company.

so I say DAMB VALVE AND THERE USELESS s**t.

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and the thing that really pisses me off is that I would have to get a new PC to play a game that is about a year older than my current one

those are really harsh specs for a bloody steam program, are you sure of this?

yeh I got them from the steam website ther url for the specs is http://steampowered.com/index.php?area=faq&id=1050915492,63276400,1050915607,55908800&support=yes

thats absolutely f'kin insane. Thats really quite put me off tbh.

and you need that to beable to play a game of chess with some one through steam aswell but lots of people on the staeam forums just don't realise that 1GHz is just a f**king insanely high requirement to play a game of chess never mind a game that only requires a 166+ to play with out this crappy srog called steam.

They just say well you should upgrade cos 1GHz processors have been out since 2000.

 

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Oh and DoD retail only needs a 500Mhz and that uses steam but thats still bloody high to say that the mod version only needs what hl needs

Gah, this thing is sounding like my school's "Rensselaer Plan". Basically, all policies by administration are part of the "Rensselaer Plan" and involve things like building fancy buildings for hi tech stuff, not building buildings they said they would build for EMAC department, general tuition hikes for undergrads, huge tuition hikes for grads and elimination of part time grad student prices.  What is it for? All chasing some weird ideal that's entirely too damn corporate, especially for a university. A veritable s**tload of freshmen were admitted for this year, and one dorm has become almost entirely makeshift triples for rooms instead of doubles simply because the administration felt they needed the money.

I guess this is kinda hitting a tangent here, the intent of this post isn't to exposes RPI President Shirley Ann Jackson for the ignoramus that she is, but to provide another example of where some people are just so certain that they created such an incredible new system that they fail to see all the customers/students that they're pissing off.

This cracks me up: http://steampowered.com/index.php?area=faq&id=1050915492,63276400,1050915628,96797200

They're dodging the answer that Valve's only released game is HL and its expansions. Heheheh.

what the f**k, 1ghz?! HL was out like a year before 1ghz processors ffs. you only need maybe a p2 to run it decently, that's what I had until just this spring. this is a big 'fuck you' to the community.

Steam really just screams "security risk" and "spyware" to me. Of course you'll never really know the truth if there's spyware...

And as for the security risk; I already don't like the idea of downloading anything at anytime. If these content servers ever get corrupted or hacked, what's to stop some hacker or something from installing hundred's of worms? Best of all, I won't even have control over what happens. Woohoo.

But, obviously, if Steam works out, the benefits will be pretty substantial to Valve. I guess they're ready to take that risk.

the last time i heard of someone or something trying to take such complete and overwhelming control of something was....well....behind the iron curtain....and we saw how that turned out...hmm....really gets ya thinkin dunnit??

Dr Brasso... :dodgy:

Death to steam!

this all smacks of being in control of data and money, this sucks. thanks valve, thanks a lot - nice way to pay back the community after they made half-life into the TRUE global phenomenon it became, with CS, DoD, AHL etc...

:sad:

This is complete crap, really it is.  I don't like this at all.  I have more than enough to run Steam(ing pile of dog s**t).  Having to run it in the background is total crap.  Also they're leaving a huge lot of the community in the dust by requiring a BB connection.

They're trying to be Battle.net but are completely f**king it up, royally.

Pretty stiff requirements i'll say.  This whole thing with steam has really put quite a few people off.  I'll go along for the ride as I really want to play this game in MP.

Hmm, seems I'm gonna either have to get the X-Box port of HL2 or wait for the PS3 or N5 ports a few years down the road to have a Steam-free HL experience.

Doom 3, chaps? What ho!

I'm surprised you didn't add a Doom III editing section to the new site...

A bit early for that really, although there might be a TF2 one soon :)

Leperous said:
A bit early for that really, although there might be a TF2 one soon :)

let's see them deliver on HL2 and some basic Deathmatch, then we'll see about TF2. of course, considering how they changed TFC, I don't think I would like the direction they'd take it anyway.. :sad:

please god domt make steam suck please god dont make steam suck please god dont name steam suck

Waaaiiit a minute, how am i supposed to get to an NS server?! I'm going to be whining here on Wednesday, so please forgive any hurt feelings, ranting, swearing, or death threats until next Tuesday.

Come wensday, t3h world will end - STEAM IS COMING!!!

 

I hate steam and will always hate it due to the fact that I was one of the people who tested it on that fateful night it was released...So much lagg...The horror, THE HORROR!!!

Lol...i played the new TFC on it and had random lag spikes...constantly. I'm talking about the 2.0 beta, not the other one...but how will i get my NS playabilty?!

Failsafe said:
Lol...i played the new TFC on it and had random lag spikes...constantly. I'm talking about the 2.0 beta, not the other one...but how will i get my NS playabilty?!

I tried playing CS1.6 but it seems to give some beautiful ping shots of 600 and renders it unplayable...what an amazing upgrade.

haha no joke. that was horrible, though that m3 headshot thru 800 ping was pretty nice :O

STEAM out WED.

CS1.6 Out SEPT 30 or there abouts, at that time CS1.5 will no longer function as well as any other valve game outside Steam.

Steam will be needed to play any Valve game in a couple weeks. Get ready for the conversion..

($)

can someone please explain what steam is?

I think Valve are forgetting than many people (read MOST of the UK!) don't have access to broadband et al, which kind of renders Steam pretty damn useless.

What was wrong with the old system?

STEAM

Thats a link to steam, I think it best discribes what it is.

But the short answer is.. its a client to play any and all Valve games, sorta like how you play Bizzard games on Blizzard.net.

The old system allowed you to play Valve games Half Life, Team Fortress, Counter Strike and the like useing the WONID system. Vavle either by choice or by force is no longer useing the WONID system and has opted to use STEAMID system starting by the end of this month.

Steam will im my opinion better the CS community, by helping with the hacker problem that is so rampent.. bringing it all under one roof so to speak. I also think this will help the League/ladder community as well in the long run.

This will play hell with cyber cafes that have got retail software though, as the new Steam client will require cafe owners to purchese special software lic though steam in order to pertisapate in any Valve game. I know this from personal experiance.

More than you asked for Diablo.. but I hope it helps.

($)

Adam Hawkins said:
I think Valve are forgetting than many people (read MOST of the UK!) don't have access to broadband et al, which kind of renders Steam pretty damn useless.

What was wrong with the old system?

/me has to wonder.. didn't everyone complain about the old system, before steam to :sad:

look guys, broadband or not, it just looks like another way of distributing in essence, new patches..

if you could, or had to get a 69 meg patch the old way, you can get it thru steam as well..

it seems to me, that your biggest bitch is that valve is cutting out the mirror links maybe by localizing the system to its own name/brand .. this may cause server tie ups IMO, but still... its only a new delivery system..

whether i am right, or talking out my ass, it makes no difference, we will be stuck with it till it either works, or the scrap it in lieu of the old system.. face it, till it fails, its here, get used to it :sad:

I think steam is aol`s younger brother :rolleyes:

One thing to look forward to with the new Steam is having to start fresh with your config.  So let's say you use custom weapons, models, sprays, fonts...whatever, when ya play online...ya gotta get that all new.

I played last nite on a Steam server, and until someone said you had to transfer your player models, your maps,  your config, everyting...over to the Steam folder, then I was playing at dead default...even my screen size and mouse sensitivity had to be reset.

Still...it played ok.  There wasn't any lag.  Only real bitch I had was while downloading a map, there was no status bar which showed download progress, so I didn't know if the server had crashed.  Also, pressing ESC didn't do anything either...so I waited and luckily the server didn't crash.

I agree with Orph tho.  No sense bitching about this new program because there's nothing we can do.  It's what Valve wants to do for the community...and until they get it perfected, we have to suffer along with it if we want to play any Valve game.

Surely launching Steam at the same time as HL2 would have made a whole bunch more sense though?

I don't personally like it cos it was yet another thing for me to d/l (sure, only 500k but thats still a good five minutes of waiting at least). And to make matters worse, when I installed it, it had to 'update' which took another 30mins to do - and i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it's going to want to 'update' more or less every time I connect to the internet.

Regarding the latest patches and whatnot - does Steam support resumable downloads? I hope so, as i'm more or less scuppered otherwise :sad:

Adam Hawkins said:
Regarding the latest patches and whatnot - does Steam support resumable downloads? I hope so, as i'm more or less scuppered otherwise :sad:

correct me if i am wrong ( its been ages since i played online HLDM, but say you joined a server with a new map you didn't have and the rotation occurred before upload was complete... then tomorrow you joined server again, and upload finished.. it was my understanding that HL stored the partial uploaded map somehow and knew what it was for the next time it came up... seems to me valve would keep this method, since it worked so well for us 56k users..(yeah i had 56k then too) i am betting some sort of a resume factor will be Incorporated, simply because some of these new maps could measure upwards of 10 megs i bet..

"Surely launching Steam at the same time as HL2 would have made a whole bunch more sense though?"

Actually, this seems like a sensible thing to do..allowing Steam enough time to work out its kinks, before the release of HL2.

If Steam completely ruins everything, it's Quake 3 / Ut2k3 editing for me. Time for a better engine anyway.

R@lph VViggum said:
If Steam completely ruins everything, it's Quake 3 / Ut2k3 editing for me. Time for a better engine anyway.

i dunno if i would consider quake 3 a step up from HL 2 tho :razz:

still, since i map for myself, even if the only folks to ever see a map i make for HL2 because of steam,is the guys at snarkpit, i would still be content..

this threat you all perceive, is nothing more than a slight inconvenience to me.. :smile:

If Steam completely ruins everything, it's Quake 3 / Ut2k3 editing for me. Time for a better engine anyway.

Ah, so you run from a 5 year old game in HL to a... 4 year old game in Quake 3? :smile:

Quake 3 is a good engine, but still I"ll still always like the Hammer editor over all. Time will tell, most likely nothing will happen, I'm just paranoid.

Steam does not resume downloads, it's very, VERY, 56k unfriendly.... it's coming to the days when companies assume that US is the only country in the world, ignoring other countries which have 56k still.

Look at SWG, not one UK server!

Quake 3 is a massivly fast and an extremely efficient engine. fact.

As an avid programer, and as a human-oid, steam has huge problems that need to be resolved. Its lag being the main thing and the huge hdd space it cunsumes - currently 5 gigs for me.

Hmm, half life got so so far because of valve, apart from consuming every decent mod under the sun ( excluding ns ), it listened to its community, and acted. Jeeze, I just so hope that value wont go down the route that microsoft went --- oh f**k no. Quake would be linux.

Looks like q3 then :-p , I always did like carmack... :biggrin:  

Seriously, it doesn't resume dl's? God, how messed up are those valve folks. There's not ONE good reason for a distribution system such as Steam to not resume dl's. That, to me, can be one of the major advantages of the system; you can get dl'ing done whenever you want to, you don't have to block out time for a full dl.

Myrk- said:
Steam does not resume downloads, it's very, VERY, 56k unfriendly.... it's coming to the days when companies assume that US is the only country in the world, ignoring other countries which have 56k still.

Look at SWG, not one UK server!

you know, for the moment, i am going to ignore the poke at the US again, and mention, the last charts i looked at quoted the USA as still the worlds largest percentage of 56k users still... you might check your numbers bud.. the USA has massive areas that have no broadband at all.. i think you are still confused about population densities again.. sure 7 million new yorkers have broadband, but the rest of the state is prolly still on 56k due to its ruralness..

try not to include the USA in your gripes about steam.. i am betting countries didn't even come into the equation, when it was in the planning stages.. :sad:

Here's the thing, i have small broadband AKA. lite speed cable, i get a max dl of 15k, it took me 1 hour and 30 mins to dl cs1.6 off of steam, it is 400mb...it took me 2 and a half hours to dl NS which is like 200, which means that the steam servers are incredibly fast, but at the moment that only applies to dling the game not playing it, they are incredibly laggy [atleast for me and my friend] to play on...hopefully that will change.

-gasp-NS ON STEAM!? woohoo *does the dance

well, as it's implied, everything will be on Steam :razz: I see the benefits of this...but I also don't like having my more developer oriented choices taken away from me.

I have just read that Steam will not let you use custon models because it reads out of the pack file and the pak file alone.

 

Although i am not to sure on how accurate this is.

http://www.steampowered.com/?area=news

There ya go.. the rest of the story right from Steam's Valve..

I would think that steam looks for an external file, then will result to the pak file - meaning you could have some custom content.

Wll if it reads out of the .pak then all you do is un pack it, replace the models then repack it.