In your opinion, what is it that separates a good mapper, from a great one?

fish, i will let you dwell on what you typed till i get back. it was completely out of context, and unwarranted.. not to mention extremely childish.

i meant what i said, you took it upon yourself to see it in another light. it is not up to me to decide how each person will take my words and type 75 different versions in the hopes that some asshole won't take it poorly.

when someone takes something out of context, its their issue, and can only be resolved by themselves.

i was not wrong, i just... wasn't completely right.

i'm off to new jersey, be back sunday.. try not to make matters worse in my absence :/

i said unreliable source, not liar.. someone can be 100% truthful, but unwilling to give it 100% of the time.

You always screw up my head, orph.....

Orpheus said:
fish, i will let you dwell on what you typed till i get back. it was completely out of context, and unwarranted.. not to mention extremely childish.

i don't need until sunday to dwell on whether a pm telling me that i am unreliable, especially when honesty is sought, would make my response out of context or not. or unwarranted. childish i can live with, which means i can let the petty insults you like to throw in, slide.

Lets leave any disagreements out of this thread, no use in seeing it go pear shaped. Keep it to your PMs guys.

Orph - you have listed Echo twice in your list, might wanna combine those :smile:

Mmm ... i have been toying with the idea to make a final HL movie
before HL2 comes out. I could take the 10 maps with the most votes and
try to make an impressive video with it ... we could set up a server
with an HLTV and play those maps :smile:

would be great, but then again, it's just an idea.

Sounds like fun to me :smile: Could be tricky getting a server willing to run 10 custom maps though.

My definitions are hazy at best, i'd say a great mapper has the ability
to create classic/cult classic maps (eg Gustavo), and a good mapper can
turn out decent looking/fairly decent playing maps more consistently..

i dont really know tbh :/ my opinion is so old and out of date now due to lack of playing my reply is essentially worthless..

top 10 maps? old stuff as Leprous said.. even many of the old Valve DM
maps are in there i'd say - top 10's are simply too hard to compile and
too innaccurate to be worth making IMO..

Sounds like fun to me :smile: Could be tricky getting a server willing to run 10 custom maps though.

nah, we'll set up one. and 4-8 players is waay enough to have some combat going on.

ReNo said:
Lets leave any disagreements out of this thread, no use in seeing it go pear shaped. Keep it to your PMs guys.

Orph - you have listed Echo twice in your list, might wanna combine those :smile:

Or use the spinky new thread within a thread function :wink:

I would contribute but I have not seen 90% of the maps posted on this site, only because I havn't had Halflife (or the mods) installed since last year, nor have I mapped since the end of last year. Members come and go, keeping track of everyone and their maps would be a daunting and time consuming task, one that I don't have time for :sad: . Anyway congrats to the ones mentioned.

ReNo said:
Lets leave any disagreements out of this thread, no use in seeing it go pear shaped. Keep it to your PMs guys.

funny, i tried that, somehow it kept getting back in here.. its amazing how something can go south, yet the person who did it can never truly understand that they caused it..

anywho's i will recount the totals duncan, but since they have not altered in the time i was away numerically.. its pretty much moot now.

Orpheus said:

ReNo said:
Lets leave any disagreements out of this thread, no use in seeing it go pear shaped. Keep it to your PMs guys.

funny, i tried that, somehow it kept getting back in here.. its amazing how something can go south, yet the person who did it can never truly understand that they caused it..

anywho's i will recount the totals duncan, but since they have not altered in the time i was away numerically.. its pretty much moot now.

Funny. I think I tried that to :\ I wanted to use the party line, but the guy on the other end insisted that we clog up the telephone lines...

NS_Hydrosity. Great map, and I'm still the only one to comment on it. And of course, NS_Eclipse.

So let me get this straight, votes for maps by mappers not on teh pit are not allowed?

I think the idea is to have the top ten Snarkpit maps.

I already botched my vote earlier, but I'll throw additional support to the snarkpitcrewmap, Apotheosis, and Forsaken.

As for what makes a great mapper over a good mapper, I have no idea. If I did, I'd apply those ideas to make myself a great mapper :razz:

Ab_Baume

Apothesis

Chaocity3 (map not listed, but mapper registered)

De_Dam

De_Dust (Hey, its listed! I know I will get a lot of flak for this choice!)

Forsaken

No_Patience

Rebirth

Startrek_ro

Wormhole

mazemaster said:
So let me get this straight, votes for maps by mappers not on teh pit are not allowed?

this thread was intended to honor our members.. it went south a bit, but it got better.

my goal? look at the member list a while.. almost everyone on that list, owes everyone else a bit of gratitude, why is it such a pain to repay all the kindness?

i fully expected the really gifted mappers to not participate, not because they are big headed, but because it would look wrong for them to post 10 out of 10 of their own maps, but all of us are not that gifted, so the participation level should have been a lot higher. :sad:

no one is so busy that they cannot post a single line "i think i will pass on this one orph" .. everyone who read this thread, and couldn't take the time to write at least that much, more/less slapped everyone who ever helped them in the face..

its true, 90% of us did not make a top 10 map, we all should be mature enough to realize this, we all pretty much knew who 1-2-3 would be, but 4-10 is looking pretty surprising so far.. :eek:

not voting, is perfectly acceptable.. hell i can foresee many reasons not to, but i cannot understand, nor comprehend not taking 6 seconds to type a reply to bow out gracefully.

i say this with no malice nor intention to cause a fight, but truly look at the member list.. you each owe someone... something

I fully agree, orph. Well said.

Brought over from previous page:

This is the list as it stands currently.. it may be not 100% accurate cause some people posted and didn't truly vote, just commented.. and sifting out the non-pit members almost through me a curve :sad:

try hard to refrain from nominating non-pit maps.. or at least highlight them as non-pit maps so i don't have to search for them..

note:the name being mentioned means 1 vote.. any subsiquent votes render it a number after the hyphen.



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Abandoned-
Apotheosis-13
Broken_Palace-6
Cataclysm-3
Chaocity3-
Cliff complex-
Coil-
DE_Dam-1
De_Dust-
DE_Plaka-2
De_zeus-
DM_Fairytale-2
Dm_Hogwarts-
DM_Ominous-
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DM_Quicksand-
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DoD_Pegasus Bridge-
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Eclipse-3
Eden-2
Elixir-
Flatshade-
Fools Paradise-
Forsaken-5
Horizon-
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Legacy-2
Merlin-
Minimicus-
Nightwatch chapter 4-2
Nightwatch Hazard Course-2
NS_Eclipse-3
NS_Forsaken-2
NS_Hydrosity-
Odins_Guard-2
Persian_Letters-4
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PS_Splinter-2
Rebirth-
Repairbay 4-2
Revenant-5
Seneca-
Sj_castle-
Somplace_else-
Startrek_ro-
Temple-
Thanto-
The PitCrew Map-5
Torrent-5
Vanguard-
Veil-
Vernon-3
Wormhole-
Zombie-



[edit] i would like to mention a little known, but useful program for list sorting.. check this out.. i have been using it for a while now.. its tiny, but very useful..

The biggest problem I have with that is this is a voluntary internet
forum and I don't think anyone should feel like they are obligated to
post in this thread or make up a list if they don't want to. I almost
refrained from voting out of protest.

mazemaster said:
The biggest problem I have with that is this is a voluntary internet forum and I don't think anyone should feel like they are obligated to post in this thread or make up a list if they don't want to. I almost refrained from voting out of protest.

the bigger problem, is you are not alone in this viewpoint.

how can it be wrong to just say "i decline"?

look maze, no one is twisting arms here, but a small bit of gratitude goes a very long way.

granted, you have not been a n00b for a very long time, but i am sure you remember what it felt like when you received acknowledgment for your attempts at mapping.

if you felt pressured into voting, ask yourself why that is so, when all it should have boiled down to was selfless repayment of favors granted in the past.

bottomline, how does one, post a thread to get people to do what they are reluctant to do otherwise? there was no way i could post this thread in such a way as to not offend someone... sadly that someone was you, but you overcame that feeling and did what was right in the end.

replace any of my words, with whatever words make you feel better about this, and show everyone you appreciate them..

if it will make you feel better, i will remove all my maps from contention.. they don't belong in the running anyways.

assuming i didn't screw the dog to badly, this is the top 9 slots so far by my count.. if i erred i apologies and hope someone will point out exactly where..

Apotheosis-13
Eclipse-7
Broken_Palace-6
DoD_Belfort-6
Forsaken-5
Revenant-5
The PitCrew Map-5
Torrent-5
Persian_Letters-4

[edit] totals updated

Well, you do seem to have Eclipse and ns_eclipse both listed for 3... they're the same map :razz: While I'm being picky, might as well note that I counted 7. :wink: hehe

Nobody but me thinks that Thanto can measure up to these maps?

I mentioned Thanto in my list.

1^st, thanx for the assistance guys, you would never think adding these tallies up could be so hard :sad:

2^ndly, i fixed the total for you andrew, BUT since you took it upon yourself not to vote, not even for yourself, it seems odd that you caught it at all.. sorry about messing eclipse up though, i had not realized it was a single map with two names.

3rdly,cassius, Dave's map cannot have 2 votes, if you don't use one of yours for it :razz:

forceflow is the only thanto vote ATM.. unless dave wants to vote :biggrin: (hint,hint)

i would greatly appreciate any more corrections in totals.

Thanto rocks, but I chose not to list incomplete maps. It would most
likely make the list when its complete, the beta's I tested certainly
had a lot of potential.

I haven't played enough hldm maps to vote. I can't recall ever
actually playing a snarkpit map online. The only custom ones I played
are DRS ones I've long forgotten.

I don't think Thanto should be in anyones top 10 list. Evar.

I've been browsing the thread, but with my new schedule hardly have time for long thought-out posts. :smile: I'll see what I can do about a more practical post. Last few weeks have me bouncing all over the place. :smile:

KungFuSquirrel said:
Last few weeks have me bouncing all over the place. :smile:

caughs

being recently married, thwacks ensue

sorry andrew, i couldn't resist an opening like that

Yak_Fighter said:
As for what makes a great mapper over a good mapper, I have no idea. If I did, I'd apply those ideas to make myself a great mapper :razz:

hehe I've been thinking the same thing since this thread began. As for the top 10 list... I don't think I've even PLAYED 10 (complete) maps from here. As such I wouldn't get very far listing my favorites. I do agree that everybody does a great job of helping each other here. Really great community and I think thats why we all keep coming back for more Snark crack.

How about Mario_Air, one of the most popular DM maps out there now? And how could one forget the likes of Kitkat_Express? or the mad fragging peeps do in MesaBase?

And hey, what about Kitkat_Egyptian's reflective floors or the majesty of Kitkat_Jewel?

Let's not forget DocRock. He's a SnarkPit member too. And he has a lot of great maps which rally many of the listed and surpass many of them as well in playabilty, fun and architecture.

These, and many other DocRock maps, should be included in this top 10 list.

DocRock has done more for the HL community than any other mapper listed here.

DocRock said:
How about Mario_Air, one of the most popular DM maps out there now? And how could one forget the likes of Kitkat_Express? or the mad fragging peeps do in MesaBase?

And hey, what about Kitkat_Egyptian's reflective floors or the majesty of Kitkat_Jewel?

Let's not forget DocRock. He's a SnarkPit member too. And he has a lot of great maps which rally many of the listed and surpass many of them as well in playabilty, fun and architecture.

These, and many other DocRock maps, should be included in this top 10 list.

DocRock has done more for the HL community than any other mapper listed here.

quotes this reply for safety

giggles

told'ya duncan

LOL, that you did mate :smile:

Doc, if your maps deserve mention in other people's posts, then other
people's maps deserve mention in yours. I'm all for people voting for
one of their own maps if they genuinely think they deserve it (I may
vote for my flatshaded map in my next 5, when I get around to deciding
on them), so fair enough if thats how you feel, but ONLY listing your
own maps is pretty lame.

/me chooses not to get dragged further into this matter

I believe the list is of my favorite maps, not the most popular. I could care less if Thanato (for example) never gets played on a server at all - it's still a remarkable achievement of a map. Anyway, here's the last 5 I chose (tried to vary mappers a bit more):

• Echo (by ReNo)
  I just played this the other day. Wow - some great connectivity, yet simple enough to learn quite quickly. I saw a lot of places where you could have optimized r_speeds though, could have probably brought it well below 600-700. Oh well. Great map anyway.
• Repair Bay 4 (by KFS)
  Good layout and weapon placement, primarily. I think I'll have to steal the layout and assimilate it into my own maps. Muahaha.
• Nightwatch Chapter 4 (by MrBen)
  Even though I'm technically the guy that's in charge of Chapter 4 and MrBen is stealing my spotlight, so to speak, I can't deny that he's pumped out some great work. (Even if it's all pretty much the same...) :wink:
• dod_belfort (by Gorb)
  One of the DoD maps that are generally easier on the eyes. Nature / plants are pulled off quite nicely. Haven't seen how well it plays, sadly, as I utterly suck completely at DoD.
• dm_osiris (by Hawkins)
  Egypt theme pulled off well, and maintains a nice consistent level of detail throughout the level - nothing feels too odd or out of place. Weapon placement by ReNo too, wow! Not sure how this plays though, but it looks great.</LI>

Oh, and for list corrections - are "Lagacy" and "Legacy" the same map?

Brought over from previous page:

This is the list as it stands currently.. it may be not 100% accurate cause some people posted and didn't truly vote, just commented.. and sifting out the non-pit members almost through me a curve :sad:

try hard to refrain from nominating non-pit maps.. or at least highlight them as non-pit maps so i don't have to search for them..

note:the name being mentioned means 1 vote.. any subsiquent votes render it a number after the hyphen.



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Abandoned-
Apotheosis-13
Broken_Palace-6
Cataclysm-3
Chaocity3-
Cliff complex-
Coil-
DE_Dam-1
De_Dust-
DE_Plaka-2
De_zeus-
DM_Fairytale-2
Dm_Hogwarts-
DM_Ominous-
DM_Osiris (hawkins)-3
DM_Quicksand-
DoD_Belfort-7
DoD_Pegasus Bridge-
Echo-4
Eclipse-7
Eden-2
Elixir-
Flatshade-
Fools Paradise-
Forsaken-5
Horizon-
Legacy-3
Merlin-
Minimicus-
Nightwatch chapter 4-3
Nightwatch Hazard Course-2
No_Patience-4
NS_Forsaken-2
NS_Hydrosity-
Odins_Guard-2
Persian_Letters-4
Project genesis-
PS_Splinter-2
Rebirth-
Repairbay 4-3
Revenant-5
Seneca-
Sj_castle-
Somplace_else-
Startrek_ro-
Temple-
Thanto-
The PitCrew Map-5
Torrent-5
Vanguard-
Veil-
Vernon-3
Wormhole-
Zombie-
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[edit] i would like to mention a little known, but useful program for list sorting.. check this out.. i have been using it for a while now.. its tiny, but very useful..

Allow me to clarify something for Mr. Rock, who cannot seem to grasp what this thread is about.

1) this thread is dedicated to any maps made by members so, your maps do qualify.
2) you personally are permitted to nominate 10 maps, if you chose to use each of them for your own creations, no one will stop you.
3) the final tally will be over everyones lists, and since each of your nominations counts only once (sorry you have not the prestige to count as more than a single vote no matter how great an impact you made in the world) your maps will more than likely have only 1 vote each so.. with so many maps of the 3+ variety already nominated, i do NOT foresee you making one of the 10 top slots :sad: but there is always a chance so do not lose faith just yet.
4) no maps count that were not created by a snarkpit member.

i do hope this assists you in understanding exactly what this thread was meant to convey.. i am sure that all votes are honestly given, and all doc rock maps will receive every ounce of credit they deserve.

thank you for your votes.
Orph

DocRock said:
How about Mario_Air, one of the most popular DM maps out there now? And how could one forget the likes of Kitkat_Express? or the mad fragging peeps do in MesaBase?

And hey, what about Kitkat_Egyptian's reflective floors or the majesty of Kitkat_Jewel?

Let's not forget DocRock. He's a SnarkPit member too. And he has a lot of great maps which rally many of the listed and surpass many of them as well in playabilty, fun and architecture.

These, and many other DocRock maps, should be included in this top 10 list.

DocRock has done more for the HL community than any other mapper listed here.

Man.. thats just lame.. but what ever.

How about Mario_Air, one of the most popular DM maps out there now? And how could one forget the likes of Kitkat_Express? or the mad fragging peeps do in MesaBase?

And hey, what about Kitkat_Egyptian's reflective floors or the majesty of Kitkat_Jewel?

Let's not forget DocRock. He's a SnarkPit member too. And he has a
lot of great maps which rally many of the listed and surpass many of
them as well in playabilty, fun and architecture.

These, and many other DocRock maps, should be included in this top 10 list.

DocRock has done more for the HL community than any other mapper listed here.

I think he just posted this to elicit a responce from everyone. :rolleyes:

why is he writing in third person?

Alien_Sniper said:
I think he just posted this to elicit a responce from everyone. :rolleyes:

sadly dave, i fear it goes much deeper.. he typed it because he believes it.

I doubt it bud, I really do.

Alien_Sniper said:
I doubt it bud, I really do.

that is your prerogative dave, but, well nevermind.. it would do absolutely no good to convince you otherwise, even were i successful it would change nothing.

he had his votes, he used them as he saw fit.. no one could ask more.

dod_belfort: Gorbachev
ahl_beemer: beer hunter
de_dam: 2d-chris
broken_palace: Finger

There are more ... but, most of the others I 'like' I'd be going off screen shots, so.

[EDIT]
Add GMDM2 to that list ... dunno if that would fall under a mod really or not ... oh well.

DocRock said:
How about Mario_Air, one of the most popular DM maps out there now? And how could one forget the likes of Kitkat_Express? or the mad fragging peeps do in MesaBase?

And hey, what about Kitkat_Egyptian's reflective floors or the majesty of Kitkat_Jewel?

Let's not forget DocRock. He's a SnarkPit member too. And he has a lot of great maps which rally many of the listed and surpass many of them as well in playabilty, fun and architecture.

These, and many other DocRock maps, should be included in this top 10 list.

DocRock has done more for the HL community than any other mapper listed here.

You're the stupidest s**t who ever lived.

Is it really him?

Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was DocRock myself either. The post is almost too stupid - kind of suspicious, don't you think?

I agree, DocRock has done more for the HL community than anyone else. He uses my prefabs and lets the world see them in all their glory! Muhahaha!

It's called a 'joke', note the 3rd person nature of it. Though those crazy Germans have still to master the art of funny :heee:

Doesn't read like a joke to me, though I admit that it being written in
3rd person does make it seem wierd. If it is a joke, I don't get how...

a) It's meant to be 'funny' rather than provocative

b) He would joke about it when we KNOW he likes his own maps a lot (not that he shouldn't)

Meh, who cares.