In your opinion, what is it that separates a good mapper, from a great one?

YES! IMHO DocRock you are the best HLDM mapper here! I just love fragging poor bastard on MesaBase with gauss who after game yell at voicecomm "?#"%, he's cheater"

I'm going to go check map names for your maps and list best of theim here ;D

btw, I'm playing at Squidsville now. Maybe we meet sometime :biggrin: .

tell me honestly guys, have you never met anyone like this before? i hate to do this but, it not only sounds like him, but i would bet my membership here it was.. not only that, but it sounds so absurd that he could use it as a fall-back joke reply just to give the appearance of saving face.

but be that as it may, i have had the displeasure of knowing people in real life exactly like doc..

in the end though, most of you will only pass this off as another orph jabbing a stick at doc post, but i know i am right.. especially when you consider that on the net you can only go by what people type, and he as given absolutely NO other image than this one.

read his words, as if he were writing his own acceptance speech to the "snarkpit hall of fame".. it sounds exactly like doc rock :sad:

how would you feel, if you just knew you were the god of all HLDM maps, you were watching this post for days, and not one member posted a single map of yours?? imagine a whole damned community who didn't exactly see life through the same glasses you did..

bottom-line, you can't even call this beating a dead horse reply, cause the very nature of it begs a response.. dave could be right in the end.. he did it just to get attention..AGAIN

I've been watching this forum from afar..and will continue to do so...but, the reason I posted it in third person was to sound like all you other freaks on this forum.

You guys kiss each other's ass so much, it's pathetic. Every damn week you have a thread about what makes a map great or what makes a mapper so awesome or whos the best mapper out there or other stuff....and it always is the same ass kissing, back slapping...reminds me of the rich bastards in the movie Titanic how they went smoking after a meal congratulating one another on being "God's of the Universe."

My dear SnarkPit fellow members, you ain't no Gods. You ain't nothin but a bunch of wannabe mappers who think you're s**t don't stink (and I was amongst that group as well...because now, my mapping days are over).

So yea it was a joke. Matter of fact, I'm still smiling about it now...and will keep on doing so. TTFN

btw Ghost: thanks, glad ya like my stuff. keep fraggin!

Back to your silly poll now. I'm done here.

sits back with knowing smirk

told'ya so , i just love it with i hit the nail so squarely :biggrin:

we stroke each other, but don't stroke doc, yet... let one shred of stroking happen by a new (actually old) member and he perks up as if he deserved it all along.

shame on you doc, you have shown nothing but contempt for this forum, in spite of its long standing reputation for creating the best maps of today.

flog,flog,flog

nevermind.. you will never learn, you are incapable of doing so, the sad fact is, your own ego wont ALLOW you to stop coming here, cause it just CANNOT accept that so many refuse to acknowledge you in your own image of "the best"

if we are such a collection of losers as you claim, why else remain..

i think the best quote of all here is this "I would like to buy you for what you are worth, and sell you for what you think you are worth" snarkpit could retire.

looks around

he'll be back guys, his ego dictates its so.. most likely, to once again blame me for all his shortfalls i would love to have as much influence as he credits me for.

in the end, all doc really saw.... was hullu's reply, all the rest was file 13 :sad:

I don't think this thread is about slapping each others backs, otherwise there would be whole lot of people trying to segway their maps into the thread in the hope someone says "oooh yes, that map was rather good...bravo!".

It's just about people's opinions of what maps they think are good - they've plently of choice so I can't see it being biased in any way.

If the general consensus is that more than one person likes a map of yours then that's great - be grateful. I'm chuffed that one of my maps has been mentioned and thats it. I don't care if I get anywhere in the top whatever - just the acknowledgement that someone somewhere likes one of my maps is more than enough. Likewise, I don't need to be constantly told that its good.

In fact, I find most of the Snarkpitters to be fairly reserved in the pimping of their maps. Compare here to somewhere like the CS mapping forums to see what I mean. Now that is full of backslapping and big headed mappers who whenever they release a tidbit of information about one of their maps, their words are filled with such false bravado.

Make of it what you will. I've defended you in the past Doc as I feel a lot of the criticism you get is infounded, but to label us all as s**ts is quite a sweeping and hard-hitting statement to make.

looks at adam square on

we have been on opposite sides of the doc/orph ordeal in the past, AND i am not suggestion we now stan on the same side of this one either, but i think what you said best describes just how easily doc can switch from one side of a stance to another, almost on a whim.

he is one of those thankfully rare people who believe that if you are not for him, you must be against..

in the end, i think you said what i would love to be able to say, if i were not so dead-set biased against this guy.

It's just about people's opinions of what maps they think are good - they've plently of choice so I can't see it being biased in any way.

nice choice of words..

In fact, I find most of the Snarkpitters to be fairly reserved in the pimping of their maps.

sadly this sentence is what separates doc from the pit so massively.. in his mindset, if you have no ambitions toward your own works, you cannot possibly have any idea what it takes to be great.. in my minds eye, i see doc riding around with his own personally printed flags mounted upon the front of his car, telling everyone how he made half-life what it is today.. billboards with his image on it telling the world how he brought half-life to fruition...

what a sad way to view oneself.. sadly doc will never be a jeff meyer, a guy who would stop everything to assist someone with the most trivial problem..

doc should feel honored, he is the only mapper with 10 individual maps to his credit within a snarkpit poll that so far, doesn't even contain 10 fans :sad:

well said master hawkins.. but of course, i am sucking your ass when i say that :rolleyes:

i would like to thank mr. rock for his attempts to derail my thread.. you had been away so long, i had hoped... hoped you went away is the nicest thing i can type ATM..

Another day, another arguement with Orph at the center... sighs Anyway,

also,of the maps submitted here, which are your 10 favorites?

Doc, if you care to read the topic description, you might notice that this thread is about appraising other people's maps. Sure, we're not m3g4-l337 CS mappers who can make stupidly realistic buildings with 50000 w_poly limits and the like for mad-skills gaussing or whatever, but that's not our style- judging from your own maps, you either never seemed to like or understand the way the maps here were built. It's the middle road- it's not having ridiculously gorgeous looking maps which you can't play or fugly levels which every server admin because it's "fun" or whatever (where yours seem to fit in). Just as you might not like a lot of maps here I'm sure there's lots of people here who don't like yours in return, but there's no need to bitch away about it and act all high and mighty.

Every damn week you have a thread about what makes a map great or what makes a mapper so awesome or whos the best mapper out there or other stuff

99% of cases that's Orph's fault, I'd stop him if I could because yes I also find it strange, but the forum peons have free speech just as you do- if you don't like it ignore it or go away :razz:

Quality over quantity.

DocRock said:
my mapping days are over

I hear the wails of HL players and server admins worldwide who are stranded alone in the bleak darkness of reality because of your refusal to continue cranking out substandard maps on a near daily basis.

Leperous said:

Every damn week you have a thread about what makes a map great or what makes a mapper so awesome or whos the best mapper out there or other stuff

99% of cases that's Orph's fault, I'd stop him if I could because yes I also find it strange, but the forum peons have free speech just as you do- if you don't like it ignore it or go away :razz:

snarkpit is unique, it is only the second site i have ever been to where its not only permitted, but perfectly acceptable to praise others for a job well done. i would like to believe i had a part in creating that atmosphere, but even if i am denied that acknowledgment, its still a good method to follow.

sighs

i do it cause i get forking tired of waiting for someone else to do it first.. i thought of this thread months ago, i suggested that SOMEONE post it, yet no one took up the guantlet..most likely for the very reasons both fishy and doc created... hostility, albeit for two totally different reasons but BOTH completely uncalled for :sad:

piss and cry all you like guys, if i feel it prudent to show some gratitude, dammit i damned well will :/

it would be nice to be able to not only post these type threads without someone screwing it up, but also to have someone else who has the intitiative..

HL1 is dying, face it, the only thing keeping it from going under completely are these little tid-bit of praise.

if you have an issue with me doing it all the time, do it yourself first.

Leperous said:
Another day, another arguement with Orph at the center... sighs Anyway,

i am NOT at the center thankyou, this is my thread and i am at the forefront of any action herein.. this thread was disrupted from the outside, not from the center :sad:

I fail to see the logic in saying it's wrong to compliment people on their maps while demanding to be included in the list for a large handful of maps and thus saying "praise me, praise me."

I'd say he's just plain old jealous. None of his maps are particurarly
good and he'll never produce anything of note. He should just let us
ejaculate over each others maps without feeling the need to s**t on a
communtiy he isn't a part of. Keep on rockin Doc, rage against the
machine, go against the grain, do anything for a bit of attention.
Nobody cares. Nobody.

Gorbachev said:
I fail to see the logic in saying it's wrong to compliment people on their maps while demanding to be included in the list for a large handful of maps and thus saying "praise me, praise me."

stands up and hollers

"BINGO!"

its not so much the fact that we have a thread dedicated to slobbering over our favorite maps, doc hears this every day from his groupy buds, what got his goat was the fact that it is several pages long, and not one entry was nominated of his maps.. he stalked the thread daily and with each page it ate at him.. his ego cannot grasp the concept of not a single member mentioned him even once.

what reinforces this idea is the fact that he has been really quiet of late and only appears to insult us when we have a thread that by all rights should include HIM at its apex.

why he choses to haunt this site, when he rather hear praises than reality i cannot fathom, but it has to boil down to self centered pride in himself...

anyways, MY THREAD has gotten way off center, and i would truly appreciate it back on track.. so please continue with the nominations..

Andrew, you promised me some serious suggestions.. cough them up please.

Another day, another arguement with Orph at the center...

What! How is this Orph at all? He hasn't said one thing I would take as aggressive or arguementative. How can you read thethread and blame Orph for this thread semi-derailment?

It's just easier that way Jeff. :biggrin:

points out to doc that jeff is NOT sucking my ass, he is just as liable to tell me to take a hike whenever i err

thanx jeff, but it was truly wrong of me to say that, it is far more meaningful when you do it instead.

blushes

Who said I was blaming him?! :wink: crushes inquisitive mind with iron fist and shiny, pretty things

Shiny things I can buy, but where do I get an Iron Fist?

bends down to grab pretty shiny things

iron fist descends

4 or 5 pages ago, ReNo asked to leave it out. 1<SUP>st</SUP> thing you do on your return is drag it up again. i refrained.
now i'm dragged into it again. should ignore it? probably. but f**k it, i'm a bit pissed off at the finger wagging. there you go, some more hostility./me bad. and i reckon i've still got some catching up to do.

1<SUP>st</SUP>, you pm me about a thread you started, telling me to vote. this was the forum equivelant of a poke in the ribs with a stick. i'd seen the thread, and it would have got my thoughts when the time was right. the tone was in response to the poke in the ribs, but it was, and is, my honest opinion of "what's the bestest" topics.

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if what someone says is valueless and not worth your respect because you had to poke it out of them with a stick, the simple solution might be to put the stick away.

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if you can hold these two thoughts at the same time, you might see it is just as important that i DONT post a comment, where such a comment would be considered as 'raining on a someones parade' as you put it. so wtf's the problem?

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see, there it is. tell me, wtf's my honesty [especially] got to do with how often i comment, or what i comment on?

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you better believe it, bud.

Yeah, I think you're making mountains out of molehills, but what do I know?

fishy you forgot the only quote with any value

people can be honest 100% of the time, but not willing to give it 100% of the time

anyone who is only going to be honest with me when or IF they feel they should are unreliable to me as sources of information.

if i asked YOU, your opinion on my map, you would INDEED be honest, i trust that, assuming you felt it worth your time to comment.. <---unreliable source

its about time you got over this and moved on, i have explained it clearly enuff that anyone could understand assuming they did NOT want to continue hostilities.. so anyways, moving on gents.... :rolleyes:

mumbles

a whole day of docs s**t, and one tiny mention of fishy's screwup and thats all he saw, very sad :sad:

or possibly all he cared to comment on.

Orpheus said:
assuming they did NOT want to continue hostilities.. so anyways, moving on gents....

'moving on' would entail no more references to the subject. not more snide comments about 'fishys scewup' in your parting comment. or do i then make the assumpion that it's you that intends to continue?

fishy said:
or possibly all he cared to comment on.

fair enuff, i can see defense of oneself, but it helps to have a base to stand on.. you made an honest mistake ... the first time.. all subsequent post are iffy at best.

i won't even mention you broke the "posting of PM's rule" you slaughtered .. (ooppss)

we have dedicated enuff time to YOUR hurt feelings.. allow my poll to continue please.

look on the bright side, if doc stays true to form, he will come online tomorrow and defend you, for the wrongs i imposed upon you.. :rolleyes:

would it help if i played the bigger man and said sorry first?

it would help if most of your posts/comments to me on this didn't read like "ok, you're a dick, you keep screwing up, ffs grow up and don't say anything else about it"

Hey look, a print page feature! I think I'll print this thread and flush it down the toilet.

fishy said:
it would help if most of your posts/comments to me on this didn't read like "ok, you're a dick, you keep screwing up, ffs grow up and don't say anything else about it"

by my count, its only been a few times.. but if that means "keeps" to you, ok then.

reminds self to stop talking down to people, even when they leave you no choice

one of us needs to bury this, and since you seem unwilling to admit that you did err, i suppose it will have to be me..

need i remind you that it was i who was accused of calling you a liar, when in fact the comment was entirely based on your initial misunderstanding? no? then i suppose no further need is there to point out how badly you screwed up..

with that said.. thus it ends..

Alien_Sniper said:
Hey look, a print page feature! I think I'll print this thread and flush it down the toilet.

glares at Dave

growls menacingly

spot on Orph. you followed the format to a tee.

Orpheus said:

fishy said:
it would help if most of your posts/comments to me on this didn't read like "ok, you're a dick, you keep screwing up, ffs grow up and don't say anything else about it"

by my count, its only been a few times.. but if that means "keeps" to you, ok then.

points out i'm a dick, (being worthy of only being spoken down to counts here)

reminds self to stop talking down to people, even when they leave you no choice

reiterates point that i scewed up

one of us needs to bury this, and since you seem unwilling to admit that you did err, i suppose it will have to be me..

gives another example

need i remind you that it was i who was accused of calling you a liar, when in fact the comment was entirely based on your initial misunderstanding? no?

but just in case the first two were too subtle for me

then i suppose no further need is there to point out how badly you screwed up..

ffs grow up and don't say anything else about it

with that said.. thus it ends..

do you see the pattern?

Hey look, a print page feature! I think I'll print this thread and flush it down the toilet.

Amen to that.

You two need to calm down and look at how ridiculously out of
proportion this whole thing has got - I don't see how prolific members
of the community such as yourselves can get into such a stupid tit for
tat dogfight. What was once an argument is now just a bitchfest.

Step back for a while and cool off...

Listen to ReNo, A_S and the other members.. leave it.

fishy said:
do you see the pattern?

unfortunately i do, but it seems to differ from yours.. lets just say, everything after your first mistake, was not accidental, you are doing it on purpose now.

fish, i have given you multiple chances to save face, sadly i am going to be self centered cause i feel you deserve no more.. if this continues, it won't be because you are imagining i am talking down to you, it will definitely occur.

i have no idea why you persist in seeing evil, where none resides, but in all likelihood, you will not leave this alone till i completely lose my temper with you over it. till now it was a nuisance, but you are approaching my threshold of tolerance.

you made a mistake, it snowballed to where we are right now.. i am asking you once more, to stop.

bottom-line fish, i will only admit to so much wrong doing, i admit that the first time you misunderstood me, i expressed myself incorrectly.. all subsequent post were attempts to placate you in the hopes that you will admit you erred..

my feeling at this point is you are wanting my admittance to you being some sort of saint, when its far from reality.

i can admit no more.. i am not threatening you, but i am done being nice.. this small issue is not worth what is about to happen.

leave-it-alone!

Gwil said:

Hey look, a print page feature! I think I'll print this thread and flush it down the toilet.

Amen to that.

You two need to calm down and look at how ridiculously out of proportion this whole thing has got - I don't see how prolific members of the community such as yourselves can get into such a stupid tit for tat dogfight. What was once an argument is now just a bitchfest.

Step back for a while and cool off...

Listen to ReNo, A_S and the other members.. leave it.

NO!, this once, stay out of it gwil.. i have been patient, you personally cannot ask more than that.

I can't stay out any longer Orph, this thread has just swayed from
argument to argument, all of which have got personal, and more
succinctly "bloody pointless".

The thread is just a total mess and there is no credit in keeping a tit for tat bitching topic open..

Both sides have to step down and let the thread get back on course, or
die - if this pointless arguing continues I will lock it :/

Edit: in all honesty I can't be bothered to sit here and read this boring yarn and it is 4:03am... im going to bed.

VS

mortal kombat theme tune



FINISH HIM!

lock it before it is resolved, and we will have bigger problems than the small one that lead us here..

it needs resolved, and it needs resolved without interference from admin.

don't push this gwil.

we will have bigger problems than the small one that lead us here..

:sad: bleh. says it all really. night

"Kids, play nice, don't make me stop this car."

...Sorry, I just had to :smile:

Biological Component said:
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...Sorry, I just had to :smile:

~just can't hold it in ~

Haha, that's awesome. At least there is some humour somewhere inside the ol' pit. :smile:

Are you saying Orph is a God of some sort??

Are you saying he's not?!?!

Yes, Orph is a superhuman etherial god, and Fishy is the foremost super-fish martial arts expert of the universe.

sometimes, i don't know which is more destructive, a small misunderstanding, or the humor attempts at defusing the tension caused by it :sad:

Hey look, another day, another arguement with Orph in it! Fishy is annoyed at your "finger wagging," and quite frankly, so am I.

Review the topic, and, unless I am completely wrong, you will discover that you have been pushing people and berating them for being "extremely childish" simply because they refuse to partake in something which they view as silly/pointless- DocRock, Mazemaster, Fishy and I, amongst others, don't seem to appreciate the way you've tried to run things here. I cannot see what you claim that Fishy has done wrong either, unless it was his refusal to give any input! You have also failed to give up and let things rest despite a number of people uring you to leave it, and just had to have the last word straight after, as always.

I know you're trying to just run a decent topic here with decent aims, and I do appreciate you trying to keep the forums going with something worthwhile, but next time please don't act like you run/own the place and threads might not derail like this.