Religion & Tsunamis

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This had me in stitches by the way

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you know, i don't mind arguing myself, but i get real uncomfortable when i detect tensions rising amongst my fellow members. i feel a compulsion to post something silly to break the mood.
anywho's i am glad you liked it :smile:

Jahzel, I decided to respond to a few comments because my ego is worried about my delay in eviscerating you. You clearly are a nut who exists solely to make others feel more comfortable with their lives, knowing they can always point to a guy that's more off the deep end.

Taking away the Constitution and the right to bare arms to protect yourselves and your families (already in the anti-terror proposals)

Fat chance of this ever happening. You realize the current administration just sat on a bill that had banned automatic weaponry, letting it expire without renewal? That counts more than some slip-of-the-tongue halftruth to me, any day.

Using Electronic Voting a means to manipulate voting figures. There has been a general outrage over voting fraud and it is a wonder the US didnt do exactly what the Ukarainians did.

Oh, you mean poison one of the candidates? The reason we have electronic voting is simple: no one wants to pay the workers required to count them by hand.
There. I could try harder to chastise and refute you, but it would be like writing a focused literary criticism of Encyclopedia Brittanica.

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<DIV class=quotetext>I read about half of that, which I think is more than most people.

1. Isolated quotes are a pretty stupid form of evidence. I could probably give you isolated quotes from all the same people that would categorically deny most of those positions. After all, they are politicians. Sadly, I'm not devoted enough to this discussion to go to the effort.

2. Practically all of these have, obvious, distinctly non-sinister interpretations. And for those that seem truly whacked, I can easily write them off as either nutty people, or simply statements out of context. For instance, why is it odd that Bill Clinton and Janet Reno were rabid anti-gun agitators? They are liberals. get over it.

3. Why is a New World Order a bad thing? I suppose it would be if it were a truly a police state, but I don't think that will happen. Eventually there will be a planetary government, but it will come in the fullness of time, long after I am dead most likely. There are many changes that will need to occur before that can happen, such as the global equalization of living standards etc.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to continue this "conversation"

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No, I dont think I'll bother anymore trying to inform you of something so plainly obvious. Instead, I shall sit and watch this world and the people who think they are living ordinay lives turn to sh*t. I shall no longer attempt to free people from this mind prison.

Afterall, why should I? What business do I have saving the likes of us? We're a virus with shoes, we deserve everything we get. We deserve to suffer the consequences of our own ignorance.

I'm just gonna watch them piss all over us - becaus that's what they're doing by the way. At least I know one thing; I tried to help, but failed to get through the eggshell that is human ignorance.

At least I know one thing; I tried to help, but failed to get through the eggshell that is human ignorance.

Revolutions don't start in mapping forums! That's a rather half assed attempt at revealing 'the truth' to the world.

We're a virus with shoes

That's Bill Hicks. :wink:

While I don't agree with the kind of evidence and fantastic ideas of weather machines and time travel, I do generally agree with the idea of people being shat upon from a great height and being to lazy and content with their lives to notice.

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If I'm not mistaken, European countries have fewer civil liberties than we do, more police/government power, and much tougher gun laws

Yes we certainly have tougher gun control laws, but those are definitely seen as good things over here (and actually work) :razz: Do we have fewer liberties? Perhaps the government and police do have more power than over there, but I don't think we have the same strange sense of "freedom" that perhaps some Americans do, and as long as someone else isn't getting in the way of what we want to do or trampling on us (*cough*stupid EU rules*cough*) then we're not terribly bothered!

Yeah, that basically it.

You're right; revolutions don't sart on mapping forums. Would be good though, I suppose it's one way of stopping these creatures... Well, maybe not eh. :rolleyes:

Yeah it is Bill, I think he sums up the state of this world we live in pretty well.

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"How far up your ass does this guy's d*ck have to be to realise he's f**king you!" - Bill Hicks talking about lying fascist Regan.

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ya know, ive been eyeballing this thread for a bit now, laughing, protesting, bellyaching, force-feeding premature and obviously unsubstantiated ....umm....(ill call it rhetoric... :wink: ) sounding just like the rad militant hipsters of the mid and late sixties...deja vu..... cracks me up.....mr jahzel should be a guinea pig.... :wink:

im looking at it this way to avoid being drawn into a rather pointless defense of my country......

we are in a state of movement in this country, and its in the reactionary stage of post 9-11....it rocked and awakened us more than we probably even know yet.....itll settle...always does.....history repeats, and its unavoidable.....the groundswell of religious beliefs is simply another facet of trying to get through the day....everyone has their crutch, its human nature.....

lep, religion explains away and satiates the unexplainable "why would God let these people die?"....just like dope and alchohol ease the days pains for millions.....in general, without really trying to sound pessimistic, "life sucks, then you die, whatever it takes to get through the day..."

and this should be read and deciphered in a logical, scientific, and common sense mode.....applying to most all facets of life.....

/ends 2 cent rant here.....keeping it lite

Dr Brasso... :dodgy:

actualy, time travel DOES excist, as long as the century is old bla bla bla.

we write the earth, 1950.

i launch my spacecraft who can reach speeds quiker then the light.

i go 50 light years away and what do i see when i look to the earth? the earth in 1950!!

so yeah, you can time travel. but only in view. not phyisical. so you cant change anything.

and offcourse the relative time in the galaxy is everywhere the same.

and the best thing is that in 2-3 billion years we wont be able to see stars from earth.

so here is some theory:

a long long time ago in our own galaxy there was a big bang. then there
came stars in clouds of gas in a deadly void. then there became
planets. and slowly wiht the energy from the bang the starts are
exanding. but this stops. and our galaxy SHOULD collapse. but it dindt
happend. why not?

there must be a counter force puling it apart. this force is called
black matter or blakc energy etc. this is 90% of everything there is
out there, we cant see it but we know it is there because wiht the
things we CAN detect are happening strange things.

quiet scary actualy, because black holes are also made of black energy,
so that means things we can detect can change. this go's agains the
train crash theory. this theory predicts the collaps of everything out
there and the rebirth of it, the center of our galaxy is a giant black
hole whom keeps everything together, but then stars are getting sucked
into it and collapse, the blackhole expands. it also sucks up other
black holes, this makes the whole galaxy collaps in eachother.

but that heory doesnt go up anymore.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about do you. Dark energy (what's black energy?!) has nothing to do with black holes. As it generates "negative" gravity, pray tell how a "sucking" black hole it meant to be made of it? Do you know what a black hole actually is?

i cant explain this stuff in english, i read about it in dutch, so i think i did not explain it right didnt i?

what pepper is saying is that if he traveled 100 lightyears away at faster than the speed of light, that he would actually SEE 1905. this is feasible as everything we see is actually just reflected light. So the light that reflected off of events in 1905 would be just arriving at the place he went to. It's the same principle as "the light we see from a star is actually millions of years old, because it took so long to travel here."

Pepper, good job.

what pepper is saying is that if he traveled 100 lightyears away
at faster than the speed of light, that he would actually SEE 1905.
this is feasible as everything we see is actually just reflected light.
So the light that reflected off of events in 1905 would be just
arriving at the place he went to. It's the same principle as "the light
we see from a star is actually millions of years old, because it took
so long to travel here."

Pepper, good job.

So when we look at, say, Alpha Centauri, which is about 4.4 Light Years away, we are actually travelling in time?

No. What you have just met is one of the fundamental limits of the
universe. Nothing can travel faster than light, no matter what frame of
reference you're in.

Edit: that's speed of light in a vacuum, and some things can
travel faster than light, but no information can travel with them.

No I think we are all guinea pigs in this system.

Most people are these things -->

And some aim their entire lives towards consumerism and keeping up with the latest fashion trends.

[EDIT] One more thing, has anyone here ever noticed how it is 'un-cool' these days to expand your intelligence level to above I'm A Celebrety Get Me Out Of Here?

PEPPER said that that was traveling in time, i didn't. I think it's just SEEING back in time. cause it is. But what you are seeing is not CURRENTLY happening in this instance.

What you have just met is my impeccable logic comprehensive abilities.

yeah, thats waht i mean, but now im confused again!

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<DIV class=quotetext>If I'm not mistaken, European countries have fewer civil liberties than we do, more police/government power, and much tougher gun laws</DIV></DIV>
Yes we certainly have tougher gun control laws, but those are definitely seen as good things over here (and actually work) :razz: Do we have fewer liberties? Perhaps the government and police do have more power than over there, but I don't think we have the same strange sense of "freedom" that perhaps some Americans do, and as long as someone else isn't getting in the way of what we want to do or trampling on us (*cough*stupid EU rules*cough*) then we're not terribly bothered!

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Ignoring that bit of swill about time travel... (it's even worse than suggesting that we can cause earthquakes)

The civil liberty I particularly refer to, Lep, is the freedom of the press. I don't know specifically about England, but I know that countries like Germany have official censorship boards. You might see it as harmless that they ban references to Nazism, but to an American that looks pretty draconian. After all, we don't ban confederate flags.
I presume there are other instances where personal liberties are further curtailed (other than the right to bear arms).

I can see your point with the banning of references to Nazism T B, but
I think it is a special case for the German people - hardly comparable
with the Confederate movement :wink:

Although it's funny you highlighted it - since the east of Germany
emerged from Communism (and inevitably looked impoverished compared to
the West) more and more youngsters desperate for solutions are turning
to this mysterious enigma that the Government keeps a lid on.

Kind of the opposite effect they wanted to achieve really..

As Lep says, civil liberties aren't really an issue over here for
ordinary citizens - more people are concerned that the EU (bureacracy
choked money eating mess that it is) and the European Court of Human
Rights go overboard with civil liberties for criminals, and other
undesirables of society.

We've gone too far in the liberal direction now, you see :sad:

I think you've pointed out a fundamental difference of outlook between Americans and Europeans Gwil. To most Americans, I think civil liberties are THE most important tenant of our political system. That is why gun laws are such a sticky issue. It's not because the majority of us love guns, it's the principle of the thing.

I don't own a gun. I don't ever plan to own one. Nevertheless, I like the idea that I can go buy one should I ever "need" to. You can certainly point out that I will likely never "need" one. You'd even be right. However, I can't get over the thought that maybe the very reason that I don't need one lies in the fact that they are available. I expect that is about as logically sane as the stuff Jahzel spouts, but its not something I can quite shake.

So people are worried that the EU will give too many rights to criminals? What rights do criminals have already? I'm sort of interested to see how they currently compare to ours.

i agree with tracers interpretation of the situation, but disagree on it in reality.

people in the USA, tend to imagine rights they do not in reality have. its hard to imagine, but people do not have the right to the piece of roadway you currently are using, but people often feel its theres and wonder why you won't "move" out of it so they can use it.

IE people getting onto the interstate are under the impression that the person already there MUST move over and allow them entry. this is false, there is no law, not rights that say this is so. it is a courtesy, but no right.

people falsely believe if they want to go faster than you, they can flash their headlights and it means "move aside".. wrong again. there is no law, nor rights. it does however sometimes state "slower traffic keep right" but this is traffic slower than the posted limit, NOT slower than YOU.

people do not understand that right NEVER overlap.. you cannot impose your rights onto another.

as far as gun laws working or not, its highly debatable, with heated opinions on both sides. i own no guns, but would buy one if told i could not do so by law. its "principal" and i will not have those trampled upon.

i dub this topic thread "unofficially derailed".....sorry Lep old sod... :heee:

Doc B... :dodgy:

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<DIV class=quotetext>i dub this topic thread "unofficially derailed".....sorry Lep old sod... :heee:

Doc B... :dodgy:

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ahem
yeah, right.. god did it!

ROFL!!!

thou hath been smoted....er...smited...er....wtf is that word again??... :heee:

Doc B... :dodgy:

There was a small earthquake in Long Beach, California this morning. I was still in bed when I felt the tremor. I think it was around 5:30 in the morning. I have this nasty cough that kept me awake almost all night, and I was already awake at that ungodly hour.

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<DIV class=quotetext>There was a small earthquake in Long Beach, California this morning. I was still in bed when I felt the tremor. I think it was around 5:30 in the morning. I have this nasty cough that kept me awake almost all night, and I was already awake at that ungodly hour. </DIV></DIV>

slept in huh? you lucky dog.

i haven't made it till 5 in 20 years or more.. i was up at 2 this morning, and again around 4.
be glad you can sleep as long as you can :smile:

Numerous things Tracer Bullet - but it's not entirely make believe for
a criminal these days (lets say, a man who stabbed a pensioner on the
street for her bag, as an example) to argue that according to his human
rights - he shouldn't be locked in a cell, should be able to travel
away after being released from questioning etc etc.

Perhaps not as serious as that, but now it seems the EU has transformed
us into something that mirrors the lawsuit culture of America (this
isnt meant as a jibe btw anyone :smile: ) - but with human rights being the
stop gap for people to sue the police for giving them bruising from
handcuffs.

The worst thing being, they can actually win these cases as well.
Extreme liberalism and imposed bureacracy are causing situations like
this to arise far too often...

That's terrible, Orph. Does it interfere with your life? Have you tried taking sleep medications?

I was, however, trying to cough up pieces of my right middle lobe of my lung this morning. It's not the most enjoyable sensation in the world.

i hope this isnt off topic but gravity goes the exact speed of light ,
Light takes years to get here so when we see it its like an old
photograph. Black holes are a hyper dense point in space that pulls in
all materials by gravity. "dark energy" is antigravity ,

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<DIV class=quotetext>Perhaps not as serious as that, but now it seems the EU has transformed us into something that mirrors the lawsuit culture of America (this isnt meant as a jibe btw anyone :smile: ) - but with human rights being the stop gap for people to sue the police for giving them bruising from handcuffs.
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Trust me: Americans are just as annoyed at our 'litigious society' as you are.

i hope this isnt off topic but gravity goes the exact speed of light ,
Light takes years to get here so when we see it its like an old
photograph. Black holes are a hyper dense point in space that pulls in
all materials by gravity. "dark energy" is antigravity ,

Gravity is a variable, dependent on
velocity and mass (amongst other things). And Earth's gravity doesn't
go the speed of light ... Not even close . You've have to "particle
accelerate" mass to turn it to energy, then it could go the
speed of light (obliterating it in the process).

Tracer can
explain this in more detail, I imagine. I've had minimal physics, but
I have a general idea how most things work, and you're way off.

Oh
and by the way, gravity is acceleration and speed is velocity.
Granted one is the derivative of the other, they are in no situation
the same.

the only thing faster than light, is dark.

when you think about it, dark always arrives first, since its always there before the light arrives.

paradoxically, people think dark is the absence of light, but who's to say that if we were created to see in the dark, then light would be just as invisible to our sight.

i have always wondered, why is there so much more dark, if it is indeed nothing important.

No one said darkness isn't important, but, darkness doesn't hold energy and can't be measured on its own. You have to
measure the amount of light and compare it to the area and such to
find the amount of "darkness", since light is made up of
rays and such.

Darkness is the absence of light for that
reason.
If you're "created" to see in the dark, that
just means you have a slight variance in your retinas and you're able
to make out objects at lower levels of light. It's hard to explain,
but believe me, it's been researched for many years.

Pick up a physics book sometime.

no, not lower light levels, i am referring to opposite evolution. you can actually see without light, and cannot see light at all.

you know, i am just thinking out loud, i have no hypothesis for anything i said. i am just thinking.

its just this, every time someone says "nothing can exceed the speed of light" dark always come to my mind. i firmly believe dark moves. if we had the ability to see at 186,000 miles a second, the wave front where light begins would have another dark wave moving aside to let it pass.

anyways, thats how i think it is.

pop

(that was my head, by the way)

cut me some slack,even stupid people think sometimes. :/

Light is a physical object (kind of). Dark is a concept that we use to describe the absence of light. The reason why you can't "see" in the "dark" is because there is nothing within your detection range. "dark" isn't really the absence of light. It is the absence of light you can see. There is nearly always something bouncing around that you can't. If you want, I can give a breif description of how your eyes work photochemicaly.

I think what he means by gravity "going the speed of light" is that the force is transmitted at that speed. For example, if you have two masses a certain distance apart, and you move one of them, there will be a change in the gravitational field the other experiences. Now you might imagine that this would enable FTL communication, but the change in the field only propagates at or below the speed of light (I'm not entirely sure about this but it makes sense). The same is true of all forces.

The only theoretically feasible way to achieve "FTL travel" is through a wormhole. That is of course if General Relativity and the Standard Model are correct. I put "FTL travel" in quotes because even then, you aren't moving faster than light, you're just taking a shortcut.

How the hell did we get on this topic anyway? What happened to Tsunamis?

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How the hell did we get on this topic anyway? What happened to Tsunamis?

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waves of that type travel at what? 3 to 6 hundred miles per hour? you gotta admit, 186,000 per second is a bit more compelling a topic.

anywho's my whole point is, dark "IS" a substance, not one our photo-receptors can utilize, but a substance none the less. and i think that whatever its classification/designation, it moves at least "AS" fast as light does.
/me is done, this level of thinking hurts my noggin.

You can consider "dark" to be something if you want. Indeed, electrical engineers and physicists do something similar all the time when they talk about electrons and "holes", but in both cases, there is not physical object behind the concept. However, it can be usefully to think of it as if it were something real. You are perfectly right to conclude that "dark" travels at the speed of light. Think about a Morris code signal someone sends you with a flashlight: it doesn't make any difference weather you count short and long pulses of light, or the spaces between the pulses of "dark" each is equally detectable in its own way. You don't get the message any faster by counting the dark pulses rather than the light.

just once, i would like to have a conversation without the need to resort to "layman's" terms.

reducing the physics of light and black holes to a flashlight beam is degrading. :sad:

how about we talk about explosives sometimes. that is a subject i have a working knowledge of. i may have forgotten much of it, but at least i used to know. tis more than flashlight pulses at least. :/

Sorry. I like simple analogies. They make everything much more clear, even for me.

I don't know much about explosives other than bits and pieces of the chemical kinetics of detonation propagation. I also know how to make them in many forms (I love chemistry) but sadly I've never had the balls to do it. It must have been fun to use that stuff in the military!

Light is a physical object (kind of). Dark is a concept that we
use to describe the absence of light. The reason why you can't "see" in
the "dark" is because there is nothing within your detection range.
"dark" isn't really the absence of light. It is the absence of light
you can see. There is nearly always something bouncing around that you
can't. If you want, I can give a breif description of how your eyes
work photochemicaly.

I think what he means by gravity "going the speed of light" is that
the force is transmitted at that speed. For example, if you have two
masses a certain distance apart, and you move one of them, there will
be a change in the gravitational field the other experiences. Now you
might imagine that this would enable FTL communication, but the change
in the field only propagates at or below the speed of light (I'm not
entirely sure about this but it makes sense). The same is true of all
forces.

The only theoretically feasible way to achieve "FTL travel" is
through a wormhole. That is of course if General Relativity and the
Standard Model are correct. I put "FTL travel" in quotes because even
then, you aren't moving faster than light, you're just taking a
shortcut.

How the hell did we get on this topic anyway? What happened to Tsunamis?

I must have mis-interpreted what he was
trying to say, then.
Not a big deal.

I barely covered
non-classical physics though. It was around the time I covered
circuits.

i took basic classes on booby traps, so my knowledge of chemicals is limited at best. but i can sure hurt someone with crafty ease if i need to :biggrin:

my specialty was demolitions at one time. but the demolitions was of the pre-made type. C-4, shape charges, det cord, TNT, and of course, mines.

at one time i could calculate the force needed to blow any material type to the desired pieces. it takes a bit of skill to use enough explosives, to little and you have to deal with an unstable structure, to much and it goes places you may not want it to.

my primary specialty was tank destroyer.. my secondary was bridge demolitions, but i could blow trees and other wooden objects as well.

needless to say, i had a blast :heee:

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<DIV class=quotetext>Numerous things Tracer Bullet - but it's not entirely make believe for a criminal these days (lets say, a man who stabbed a pensioner on the street for her bag, as an example) to argue that according to his human rights - he shouldn't be locked in a cell, should be able to travel away after being released from questioning etc etc.

Perhaps not as serious as that, but now it seems the EU has transformed us into something that mirrors the lawsuit culture of America (this isnt meant as a jibe btw anyone :smile: ) - but with human rights being the stop gap for people to sue the police for giving them bruising from handcuffs.

The worst thing being, they can actually win these cases as well. Extreme liberalism and imposed bureacracy are causing situations like this to arise far too often...
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Gwil, I agree completely, I HATE the "lawsuit culture" of america, and I am strating to dislike LOTS of things about america.

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<DIV class=quotetext>the only thing faster than light, is dark.

when you think about it, dark always arrives first, since its always there before the light arrives.

paradoxically, people think dark is the absence of light, but who's to say that if we were created to see in the dark, then light would be just as invisible to our sight.

i have always wondered, why is there so much more dark, if it is indeed nothing important.

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What if We are just like the tree that falls in the forest for no one to hear? What if people are are just like waves of compressed air like sond and we don't even exist until someone else percieves us.

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What if We are just like the tree that falls in the forest for no one to hear?

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i remember a famous saying from "revenge of the nerds"
"What if D-O-G really spells cat?"

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Gwil</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Numerous things Tracer Bullet - but it's not entirely make believe for a criminal these days (lets say, a man who stabbed a pensioner on the street for her bag, as an example) to argue that according to his human rights - he shouldn't be locked in a cell, should be able to travel away after being released from questioning etc etc.

Perhaps not as serious as that, but now it seems the EU has transformed us into something that mirrors the lawsuit culture of America (this isnt meant as a jibe btw anyone :smile: ) - but with human rights being the stop gap for people to sue the police for giving them bruising from handcuffs.

The worst thing being, they can actually win these cases as well. Extreme liberalism and imposed bureacracy are causing situations like this to arise far too often...
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Gwil, I agree completely, I HATE the "lawsuit culture" of america, and I am strating to dislike LOTS of things about america.

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I hadn't realized that there were fewer lawsuits in Europe (until now?). It is a pain.

-Orph- On reason I've never made any explosives is I wouldn't know what to do with them. I could calculate the energy released, maybe even approximate the time span of the detonation, but it wouldn't give me any conception of how destructive any given amount of material is likely to be. I envy your experience. A class in booby traps? drools

Now that I think about it, I might be able to figure out how much explosive you need to create a shock wave... Or do high explosives always do that? wonders off thinking

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Orpheus</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>the only thing faster than light, is dark.

when you think about it, dark always arrives first, since its always there before the light arrives.

paradoxically, people think dark is the absence of light, but who's to say that if we were created to see in the dark, then light would be just as invisible to our sight.

i have always wondered, why is there so much more dark, if it is indeed nothing important.

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What if We are just like the tree that falls in the forest for no one to hear? What if people are are just like waves of compressed air like sond and we don't even exist until someone else percieves us.

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I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade (or do I?), but quantum mechanics does not apply to macroscopic objects.

everything you know is wrong.

about space then, we know so little about it. we can only see 10% and do not even know how many of the things work.

About this thread's title: I was talking to a(n orthodox) priest a few days ago, and he said that those poor people deserved what had happened to them because they are, well...sinners. Such is the mentality of the Orthodox Church.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting pepper</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>everything you know is wrong.
about space then, we know so little about it. we can only see 10% and do not even know how many of the things work.
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That's so true. You know the 10% matter we can see we can so only because light reflects off it. The remaining 80% is unobservable dark matter which light cannot reflect off. This means there are galaxies and star systems we cant even see with the human eye. When people think 'it doesn?t exist because I haven?t seen it', it might exist because you cant see it.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

well, thats one thing we can agree about!

True :biggrin:

Giuliana Conforto: Man's Cosmic Game

That's a book that talks about this subject in depth, recommended.