Not in my back yard...LITERALLY

MY next door neighbour has, of late, been smashing windows, bottles and
bringing the local winos to stay all night in the communal back yard. I
went down to complain on Saturday, and was set upon by the lovely lady
who resides there with a razor blade. Long story short, 2 car loads of
police (why carloads I don't know) came to handle my brother, myself,
her and the five other spides, and wino friends of hers.

Sunday night, she goes mental and smashes the glass in our back door,
while seranading me with "I'm going to f**king knife you" and other
such things.

I'm personally not a fan of the police, but considering their proximity
to the flat, ie, directly across, it seemed best to deal with them,
rather than get myself a record. I'm watching my back, despite being
across from the cops, since she is a certified mental patient known for
stab-related shenanigans. Essentially, I'm under house arrest. :biggrin:

She has been put out of several other areas in the town, so my question is: Where the f**k should these people go?

I was talking to ANOTHER person who has problems with her while giving
my statement to the cops (for the benifet of the Housing Executive) HE
is also terrorised by her, and is giving up his own accomodation in
favour of the Simon Community, to stop her getting at him!

More news follows...(I'm pretty f**king sure of that)

There are places for these people, like a mental institution. These are long-term facilities designed to house these wackos and protect the rest of us from harm.

There is also a thing called the restraining order from the court...at least in the U.S.

I would stay away from her. She just might be rabid.

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where bouts u live in ni? i live in newtownabbey :razz: the only thing i
get is a crap load of spides around from the monkstown area. although
im a bit old to say nething i just ignore them but i live in a quite
enough area..the worst thing which has happened round here is someone
was broken into.

i take it u live in belfast?

Nah, Downpatrick. One of the 'quieter' areas. However, it would seem
that its me vs. the local wino population (a sizable percentage sadly).
But hey, what do you expect if the areas Nuthouse is in your town? :biggrin:

I wonder if its the same craic up in Purdysburn :wink:

Nice to see another Norn Irelander though.

Holland puts all these people in steel container houses. UK might start doing it too :smile:

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/me imagines crazy woman shouting "I'll f**king knife you!" in a heavy irish accent and chuckles.

Seriously though, first off: Wth's a Wino? Ye brits be makin' terms we northlanders don't understand.

Secondly: Such people need help. Mental institution i-ho.

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Wino = a person who is contantly drunk (not like me, STFU). The types
that hang around town asking for money for booze from strangers.

Secondly: Yes, she needs sectioned, however, noone seems to be willing to do so.

See if you were in Texas.. and the bitch was in your back yard.. you
could shoot her dead.. have her scooped up and carried off.. And be
sure as the day is long I would of blown her sicko ass away by now. But
then again.. im cool like that.

good luck man.. I feel for you.

satchmo said:
There are places for these people, like a mental institution. These are long-term facilities designed to house these wackos and protect the rest of us from harm.

in the UK, almost all of the institutions designed to cater for the unbalanced have been closed down in favour of a "Care in the Community" policy, where 'people with complex needs' [mephs' wino friends] are given normal houses/flats, with ineffectual 'follow-up support' from social workers. very little consideration is given to the actual communities and individuals that have to suffer.

i've worked in large[250+ beds] homeless type hostels for many years. the 'client group' of mainly 50Y.O.+ males with drink or gambling addictions has slowly shifted over the past 15 years to one of teenage/early20's heroin addicts, and a whole plethora of people with their very own brand of mental illness. now the master plan is to close down ALL of the large homeless hostels in the city in favour of giving these people houses back in the community. we are told that with the correct follow-up support that these people will integrate well, and we'll all be happy bunnies.

so if we all believe the new age wisdom, then there's absolutly no need for long term facilities or mental institutions.

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I worked in the psych field for 5+ years, in the mid 90's. I worked in both low class, government funded hospitals, upper class private insurance hospitals, and outpatient environments where the patients live in the community.

There is no simple solution. The fact is, mental instability is a hard problem to deal with and always will be. A community needs different levels of care environments for these people. Sounds like your neighbor needs to visit a place with some nice locks and special jackets.

Mephs said:
I'm personally not a fan of the police

Hey now. We can all love the police. Even "Cop Killa" Ice T eventually simmered and decided to portray one on prime time TV.

lol speaking of my last post a joyrider was in our estate last
night..and ended up toatiling a car not too far from my house -.-
. If it was LEGAL i would take moneyshots advice and start raking them
down as soon as they came near my house. Unfortuently we dont have the
right to bear arms in the Ni and its an arestable offence for having a
firearm. (considering there are paramilitarys everywhere) but that was
the risk i was willing to take when i joined the army....

Mental neighbours...don't remind me, my next door neighbour is a creepy
mental ex-convict. A nice combination, yes? I think I alone called the
gendarmes on him 3 or 4 times. He keeps yelling like a moron at night
and
often smashes bottles in people's windows or throws stuff (usually
heavy stuff) at pedestrians. What surprises me is that,
despite this, the police/gendarmerie never arrest him although it is
pretty clear that he is a menace to society. If only one of those
pedestrians accused him of attempted murder... I mean, a heavy
metal bed-ornament flying towards your head from the 3rd floor can be pretty
unhealthy can it?

As for your problem, I suggest buying a baseball bat. As far as I know it's not considered a white-weapon and is longer that most knives. Plus it has a pretty good reputation for smashing heads. :smile:

Update: Tomorrow I (and others who have put in complaints, such as the
one who called the cops when there was an overwhelming smell of petrol
from her flat (she had the house FULL of petrol and glue, to the point
where it was a serious fire hazard - for sniffing of course, and
another guy she attacked on Friday with a bottle)have to write another
account for the housing executive to try and get a case in court next
week.

EVEN WITH ALL THIS, the most they are hoping for is a warning and THREE
months notice for her eviction! (the legal team has told them to back
down on seizing the property).

So, in the mean time I have the towns wino population camped next door
(5 or 6 at a time staying in a 1 bedroom flat meant for senior
citizens) and a certified mental patient contantly hanging around in my
back yard, and the front door waiting to kill me. And NO, I don't mean
'beat the crap out of' I mean KILL me.

Fisheye is right, and my towns proximity to the Nuthouse means that we are flooded with care in the community neighbours...

Off Topic a bit:

I live on a road intersection.. On the road across from me the county jail is in resident.. Ever so often, they release people who have served their time.. All minor offenses of course.

Apparently, they give you a ride TO JAIL, but have no compulsion what so ever to give you one back home.. Consequently, I have people all the time knocking on my door for either a ride, or a phone..

I hate the law for doing this, not only to them, but to me. I feel like an ass because I refuse to allow people in my home to use the phone, and some are a long way from home so a ride is out of the question.

The law, has made me the bad person. :sad:

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My impression of the law in the UK is this: you're basically not allowed to defend yourself, and you have to leave everything to the police, who never do anything.

The same thing here; if someone tries to kill you with a pipe, trying
to crush your skull for 2 50.000 lei bills (about 4 USD) and you fight
back with a pipe or anything else you find around and, what's more, you
manage to knock your attacker out cold, you risk being sentenced to 25
years of jail for assault with a white weapon and your attacker will
get only 3 years for attempted robbery and ev. another 10 years for
attempted murder. If you stand perfectly still and let yourself killed
everything will be okey-dokey.

Same here to,

say, i wake up in the night from a sound coming from below, knowing no
one else is in the house i pick a baseball bat to see what is down
there.

What i find is a thief that threathens me with a knife, i do not doubt
a sec and beat the s**t out of him, seriously enough that he faints.

If i would do that i would go to jail.

I should have offered him a cup of coffee or thea and askhim nicely if he would mind leaving my place.

Its a odd world.

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Cassius said:
My impression of the law in the UK is this: you're basically not allowed to defend yourself, and you have to leave everything to the police, who never do anything.

pretty much sums up the justice(?) system.

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I guessing you probably don't care, but I feel for you. Here in
Iowa, we don't have anything like that. The scariest thing we
have is a tornado.

Until later, Good luck.

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Post like that make me grateful to be an American.. Man I didn't know it was so rough there.

And why do you keep reffering to bats or pipes as a White weapon, sounds bit raciest.

Exactly the same here in Australia, its like the legal system gets to a certain high point, then starts moving backwards.

There was a case here where a home invasion happened, 3 guys burst in
on a father and son in their home. The father used a post with a nail
in it to defend themselves, managed to beat the attackers off. Not only
did he face possible charges, but the attackers tried to sue the guy
for damages and some other rubbish. What the f**k kind of legal system
is that, where the criminals get let off and the innocent are punished
for defending their rights.

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Orpheus said:
I hate the law for doing this, not only to them, but to me. I feel like an ass because I refuse to allow people in my home to use the phone, and some are a long way from home so a ride is out of the question.
The law, has made me the bad person. :sad:

Just remember, they were in jail for a reason. Consider this part of their punishment.

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But, where does that leave me? Some people will think about retaliatory actions based on my not complying.. I know this to be fact cause on at least one occasion we had a break-in and the person turned out to be one who used my phone.. Casing the joint so to speak.

I do not have anything of true value except my family members.. I drive a lot and do not feel comfortable knowing someone may get upset and possibly be an ass while I am on the road.
The jail should have a phone available at the very least.

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thurther this brings me to the point of stay away from Northern Ireland
if u plan to live here. 1 question does neone elses news
reports everyday not include.. murder,attempted murder, bomb threat,
court case ,distrubance,riot,breakin,fire, shooting,drugs raid,
terrorist activity,body found phadeophile,or gangland shooting thats
all we ever get never an and finally piece :sad:

people over here are defensless as i am in the armed forces im given
the option to have a gun in my house for protection its standard
procedure because of the troubles. i however cannot shoot to kill i can
only shoot if the person is armed with a gun or has fired a gun at
me... alot of police men and soldiers like me have to check their cars
still for car bombs .. im thinkin of movin...

My impression of the law in the UK is this: you're basically not
allowed to defend yourself, and you have to leave everything to the
police, who never do anything.

It's true, in America you are allowed to force people from your
property yes? In the UK you can only pull out a bat if they have a
weapon, if they don't they can basically roam free until the police get
there.

@Agent Smith That
happened here, a farmer got robbed and pulled out a shotgun, killed one
of them and the other got shot in the leg, the guy who survived tried
to sued the farmer iirc.

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thurther this brings me to the point of stay away from Northern Ireland
if u plan to live here. 1 question does neone elses news
reports everyday not include.. murder,attempted murder, bomb threat,
court case ,distrubance,riot,breakin,fire, shooting,drugs raid,
terrorist activity,body found phadeophile,or gangland shooting thats
all we ever get never an and finally piece :sad:

people over here are defensless as i am in the armed forces im given
the option to have a gun in my house for protection its standard
procedure because of the troubles. i however cannot shoot to kill i can
only shoot if the person is armed with a gun or has fired a gun at
me... alot of police men and soldiers like me have to check their cars
still for car bombs .. im thinkin of movin...

Holy crap I didn't know it was that bad in Ireland. I knew they had a
lot of troubles over there but nothing that bad and that numerous. Geez
that makes places like Harlem and Liberty City here in the U.S. sound
like Mr. Roger's neighborhood.

i however cannot shoot to kill i can
only shoot if the person is armed with a gun or has fired a gun at
me

"If you see the flash (in this case from the gun's muzzle), it's
already too late..." - Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis Motto

@Agent Smith That
happened here, a farmer got robbed and pulled out a shotgun, killed one
of them and the other got shot in the leg, the guy who survived tried
to sued the farmer iirc.

In that case, if I were the farmer, I would make sure they were both
dead, and plant them in the north forty. Plow them in deep, and act as
if I was never robbed or attacked. =)

I too feel sorry for you, that is one of the most horrible things to happen to a person and if it happened to me then I would be the one who went mental.
The law is unfair these days and it is the simple case of what the police see first e.g.

Your defending yourself and as you hit the man a police officer arrives and arrests you, the man blames you in court and your sentenced for 'defending' yourself!

If some major man in charge is reading this then! YOUR CRAPPY LAW RULES ARE RUBBISH!

Mephs: I think all you can do really is wait...I can't believe she is in'your' backyard which is 'your' property!
That is called trespassing and she can be arrested for it...

I myself live near one of those homes for mental / naughty children and I do fear it everytime I walk past. It is a horrible feeling being bullied / threatened and all you can do is call the police over and over until they realise something wrong is going on...Plus it will annoy them a tiny bit.

Just wait, be alert, if she is holding a weapon and approaches you, touches you then run indoors, take a picture if you can for evidence and call the police. Goodluck!

Mephs: I think all you can do really is wait...I can't believe she is in'your' backyard which is 'your' property!

That is called trespassing and she can be arrested for it...

She cannot be arrested for it, only asked to be moved, a police officer
can only arrest her if she does not. You cannot touch her unless she
tries to attack you or has a weapon.

if someone walks up to you in the street and punches you in the face then runs away, it's illegal to run after him to 'defend' yourself. it's an extreme but clear example of the line that the law draws. if someone is no longer a threat to you, or you've restrained them to a point where you are safe, then you must desist from any further force. a bit of a bummer really. you'd have a good chance of getting away with bending someones head out of shape if they're still on their feet and attacking you though, which can be done with almost any heavy blunt object that you have a reasonable excuse to be carrying.

mephs in court -->"there was a crazy knifewoman attacking me, and in the heat of the moment i didn't realise the damage 6 tins of beans would do with a full bloodied swing M'Lud. if i had realised, i think, if i'd had time, i'd have stopped to take a few tins out of the bag. i'm really sorry "

:smile:

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Oh how I could twist your laws..

IT WAS A RUN BY FRUITING.. - Mrs. DoubtFire.

Anyways, what you do is.. get a knife, cut yourself.. and call the
police. Say she attacked you, and ran off. Or cut yourself, tackle her,
and hold her till the police get there.. and say the crazy loon
attacked me and cut me, saying she was going to eat my balls.. the
bloody loon, and have her carted off.

Oh how I could twist your laws..

IT WAS A RUN BY FRUITING.. - Mrs. DoubtFire.

Anyways, what you do is.. get a knife, cut yourself.. and call the
police. Say she attacked you, and ran off. Or cut yourself, tackle her,
and hold her till the police get there.. and say the crazy loon
attacked me and cut me, saying she was going to eat my balls.. the
bloody loon, and have her carted off.

I see a pattern here...

mephs in court -->"there was a crazy knifewoman attacking me,
and in the heat of the moment i didn't realise the damage 6 tins of
beans would do with a full bloodied swing M'Lud. if i had realised, i
think, if i'd had time, i'd have stopped to take a few tins out of the
bag. i'm really sorry "

Any resident "legal eagles" please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think
that if you murder somebody in the heat of the moment it can count as
manslaughter. However, there must be absolutely no time to think about
it i.e. you can't go over to the kitchen to get a knife - then you'd
have had time to think about it and it would be murder. I'm not sure
how this would affect assault, battery, GBH and ABH though...

Just a little sidenote. :smile:

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Thanks for the support, chaps. Oh, and its a communal yard, so it belongs to everyone in the flats, THAT was the grey area.

Thursday she was smashing in the door shouting everything from
"junkies" to "child molesters", and everything from burning us out to
shooting us (the latter a dubious threat, the former less so,
considering her previous record for amassing solvents and fuel in her
hoorhouse). We called the police, she stopped and ran back into her
house. We finally caught on that her boyfriend was keeping watch for
the police and signalling when they were coming. However I told them to
come around the front the next time, and while my mother was giving a
statement they heard her for themselves. Then she saw my Da at the
window and went ballistic again at the door. Caught Red Handed, the
hoor.

She was arrested and only held for 2 hours and was out on bail. She
continued to batter at the door as soon as she was released, but this
time, smashing it and running quickly back in each time.

Mysteriously she actually gave up her tenancy of her own free will and has been put into another town. :smile:

Also the fact that the cops were witness means that I shouldnt have to go to court.

The metal shutters were put up a few hours ago, and now all I have to
worry about is follow up attacks from her family (I have no idea who or
what kind of people they are) and of course every spide and wino in the
town shes been f**king for booze and glue etc. irate at not getting
their hole. It pains me that I cannot carry a weapon, but I respect
that law, though it leaves me at a serious disadvantage. However, since
they no longer have a drinking/glue sniffing den in my back yard, they
won't be in groups when I see them down the town, and none of those
people would risk a 'square go' without their myriad of knives, bats
and several mates to back them up.

I doubt that this is the end of it, and the whole week (seems like a
lifetime) has changed my personality completely. I'll always be
watching my back, and always looking for the nearest heavy object in
the streets if I catch a sniff of anyone. So, in that respect, the hoor
won.

However, I deserve a f**king medal for putting up with this s**te and
going through police and housing executives etc. If we weren't facing
[the police station] this could have been informally resolved on Sunday
night.

But, she won't do any serious time for this s**t, and again shes been put into another area to make other people's lives hell.

Other than that, its actually a happy ending in that I played by the
book, kept my own nose clean and some kind of justice prevailed.

She was arrested and only held for 2 hours and was out on bail. She
continued to batter at the door as soon as she was released, but this
time, smashing it and running quickly back in each time.

I know absolutely nothing about bail terms, but I swear that's some
sort of breach of bail. In fact damnit it has to be. Get the cops and
she could be in bbbbiiiigggg trouble for that. In fact, if she keeps running away and you have a
camera, wait for her and video it next time ==> evidence. :biggrin:

[EDIT]Just checked: it depends what the conditions of the bail are,
normally including forbidding contact with a prosecution witness -
which is probably you. Also, it would count as an offence while on bail
(harassment) ==> really really bad.

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I'm glad I live in America. If someone comes onto my property and threatens me I have the legal right to shoot them.

I'm glad I live in America. If someone comes onto my property
and threatens me I have the legal right to shoot them.

Yes, in the heat of the moment I would gladly have taken up that right,
if I lived in America, but doing so would destroy me. I really do pity
these kinds of people. I've absolutely no right ending someones life,
even if it is one of suicide by installments, like severe winos and
this kind of craic. You can't unshoot someone. This hoor is 29/30 (but
prematurely aged through her lifestyle) and she might have another year
or another 30 or 40 years ahead of her to either turn it all around or
kill herself. I don't believe in playing god.

There's a serious want in these kind of people, and she must have had a
lot of serious s**t in her own head to contend with to turn her into
someone that f**ks for alcohol and spends her entire life out of it.
I'm maybe more philosophical now shes out, but there are (less
aggressive) similar cases in my own family, and I know the kind of
stuff thats going on. I can't help her, but she's not beyond help,
theres no such thing as a totally evil person, so you can't put people
down like rabid animals, no matter how bad they might be.

Take her to court, yes. Kick the clean f**k out of her if she came near
my door, yes. But I wouldn't just execute like that. I'm still a
nervous wreck, but I wouldn't hurt her, her boyfriend (who, on his own
is a nice quiet guy, constantly being beaten up by her for holding her
back from this kind of craic) or anyone else who of late has taken
issue with me. But cross the threshold of my door and I'm within my
right to use my reasonable force.

Anyhoo, the local cops are glad of passing her out of their
juristiction, they saw that she was causing serious mental harm to my
mother and actually one officer stayed 3 hours past his shift to
organise her removal. It doesn't make me think any less of the Irish
struggle and occupation of the british, but I can see police on a
personal level now, so while it hardened me, at the same time its made
me a little less indiscriminate in my hated (not that I ever was, tbh,
I was brought up with moral and political opinions rather than
anti-protestant or anti-english feelings).

Ok, if shooting her is out of the question and beating her brains out
with a lead pipe is not your style, then how about making a peace
offering (even if under the form of booze? :razz: )? But if she's outta your hair...

I'm glad to see that it's been resolved. I'm also glad that you
got a chance to bring something good out of this as well.
Hopefully you won't have to deal with a situation like this again...

I wish you luck and guidance on the many roads of life.

Until later...

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dito mate its good to see that the prob is resolved..however the
continuing threat of spides is constant. The only way to avoid the is
to either move (which u prolly dont wanna do) or join a paramilitary
wich u prolly dont wanna do either. Either way were screwed.

btw if ur having trouble with the terminology for those in the us etc heres a link explaining the term spide.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spide&r=f

yeah Give her lots of booze.. LOTS and LOTS of it.. and make sure to
hand her a cig and a lighter.. maybe she will blow herself up.

i can just about taste the new thread on some far flung forums, started by some poor old lady, about the f**king nutter from downpatrick that's just been moved into the flat next door...........

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fishy said:
i can just about taste the new thread on some far flung forums, started by some poor old lady, about the f**king nutter from downpatrick that's just been moved into the flat next door...........

GOOD GOD MAN, get outa my f**kin noggin.

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I read that forum, she was ranting something about the guy in her
previous hostel sucking on a bong all the time. Incidently, you've been
topped in the Mephs chart for best huns on earth, fisheye. :smile:

#3 Woman I have the sex on

#2 Fisheye

#1 Local cops who worked above and beyond to get rid of my neighbour.

would letting you be having the sex on me get me back in 1st place?

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Actually, considering that the other two only deal with sex and the
mental cases, and neither have even hinted at sending me Half Life CDs,
I'd say that WOULD work. You're a prod for all occasions man :biggrin:

Glad to hear it has all died out :biggrin:

Running away never solves anything and standing your ground has worked off for you.

Enjoy your life :wink:

Spartan said:
I'm glad I live in America. If someone comes onto my property and threatens me I have the legal right to shoot them.

No

Considering my mom has just passed "the bar" my family generally knows some thing about law -- I for one, know that just because someone threatens you, doesn't give you the immeadiate "okay" to blast them. For one, in the state of Maryland (where I live) you must first attempt to "escape" from the attacker, if you do not atleast atempt, you could probably be held for manslaughter (maybe murder.)

Number two being that it would be your best interests to simply get them to go away :razz: But let's say you did get into a fight, did try to escape and couldn't, and the attacker ran away -- in that case, I still don't think you could shoot them, because at that point, the fight is over: If you were just previously defending yourself, fend an attacker off and they start to run away, and you then attack them, at that point, YOU are now the attacker, and the one who winds up going to jail/prison.

:razz:

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