Guess what game this is

Quake 1 It would be interesting to see Half-Life done like this... (uses a modified Q1 engine found at http://tenebrae.sourceforge.net)

:eek:  thats pretty cool.

lmfao, i thought it was a lowest quality doom3...
Thats badass, hopefully Half-life will be on it

these look a tad bit better lep..

http://www.tenebrae2.com/tb2_screenshots.html

Right now, work is being done on Tenebrae 2 for Q2 and a standalone version of Tenebrae.

It's good, but everything looks massively "over-bumped" and shiny.

Hang on....that's just like Doom3 then!

/runs

I know what you mean about the bump-mapping - it looks good if done subtly, but that screenshot above is way OTT!

And Doom 3 isn't much better me also runs

Games like Far Cry and Stalker are using it to much better effect without making everying look like its made of cheap plastic.

I watched a movie of stalker a while ago, I was well impressed with it. wont be as good as hl2 but good fun it seems. have to wait for more info befor eI consider buying it though.

I'm with Gollum and Adam here - overuse of shiny shadery stuff makes things look too plasticy, HL2 with its realistic look is far nicer to me.

A game that looks really cool IMO is "Breakdown", on the xbox. It might also be a PC game but I just saw a rolling video of it on an xbox dvd and it looks really quite nice. The thing that made it stand out to me was the hand to hand combat, which for once wasn't horrendous "slap slap slap" but involved realistic punch and kick combos, that see the camera swinging about and the enemies reacting realistically.

considering the age of the engine, i think it is astounding none the less..

i agree it looks too shiny, and plasticy tho, but only because we now have seen so much better..

i am betting none of you remember the way you felt the first time you loaded duke3d either ... none of us would quantify it today as anything special, but back then it was incredable..

my question is this, can the not achieve the same looks without the shiney?  i mean, it would still look good with a dull finish IMO..

Something needs to be done about these mutant squids going nuts with the ink where the shadows are.

Unfortunately the Half-Life code will probably never be released because of all the hacks and cheats and such. Which sucks, really.

Quite funny to think that Quake 1 is Half-life 2 :dorky:

 

HL2 engine is HL1 engine with a loada stuff stuck on top, HL1 was Q1 with a loada stuff stuck on top...

Er, I thought the HL2 engine was based of Deus Ex 2 or something...

well, the textures do look plasticy like you guys said but the over all design looks pretty sweet in some spots.

I'll have to do a techy style texture set some time, would be a lot of fun :smile: .

Leperous said:
Er, I thought the HL2 engine was based of Deus Ex 2 or something...

You know, for someone who's getting the site ready for HL2 mapping, you sure do have a lack of knowledge behind the technology :biggrin: .

HL2 is completely it's own engine and Deus Ex 2 uses the Unreal Tech engine.  Both games however do use the Havok Physics SDK, as well as Max Payne 2, Thief III and Jedi Academy.

Poor Poor Edge Damodred...

Your knowledge of HL2 engine is poor, HL2 is HL1 that has been fiddled with, I know that for a fact from an official Bloodlines mapper.

(For those who don't know, Bloodlines is a HL2 engine game coming out next year sometime about Vampires and other stuff).

I don't think that's very likely Myrk. I'm sure VALVe wouldn't have spent 5 years revamping the same old engine. And from everything official I've heard, the Source engine is completely original. It would help if someone can find some true, valve released info about this...

The idea engine for HL2 would be to make the HL1 engine be able to handle huge polycounts and revamp the shadows, and add a lot of dynamic-light type effects.

If alot of the old content can be ported over so easily (supposedly), I imagine Source would be very similar to HL1. And they're still keeping the "brush" system and such from what I can see, so it's a strong possibility.

I thought there were very strong limits to what an exclusively BSP based engine could do. Meh

Not only do I know for a fact that HL2 is HL1 engine revampped, you can tell from everything thats been done and happened.

Some of the screenshots show lighting errors identical to those in HL1, the increase in models rather than brushes. These are all given Lod models so that the engine does less over distance.

Also the compatibility issues of using the same file formats and compile tools to compile maps, the need for increased specs to run it.

The simplicity of the structures in the game, all made to look complex because of bump mapped surfaces, just like the models.

Need I go on?

Look at Tenebrae or whatever, If you can do that to the Q1 engine, then thats what HL2 is. Some of the tenebrae pictures look like Doom 3! And the coders for HL/HL2 are professional so they work out ways to make better looking environments, the inclusion of a multi lighting environment of prerendered and real time lighting also contributes to the faster speeds compared to Doom 3.

According to the mapper I spoke with, HL2 is pretty much HL1 with 12 dll files added to it... the dll files must be pretty mass. :razz:

The amount of misinformation in this thread has reached critical levels.

Is the mapper an official valve source though? TBH i'm just gonna play wait and see until the game is actually released :smile:

mazemaster said:
The amount of misinformation in this thread has reached critical levels.

Indeed; I sense we are approaching critical morass.

Maybe a little more will be enough to tip the balance, and make the thread implode:

HL2 is based on voxel technology created by Microsoft.

Doom 3 is actually a licence of the HL2 engine.

Richard Whitely is a comedy genius studmuffin.

I am the quickest and most prolific mapper the community has ever known.

Gravity is the amount of cheese that is holding the planet together.

Humans are actually splinters from sporks that mutated in a pile of twinkees.

The number 8 really doesn't exist.

Your credit card number should be given to complete strangers, along with any other identification.

And Gollum is the quickest and most prolific mapper the community has ever known...

"Not only do I know for a fact that HL2 is HL1 engine revampped.."

It's called evolution.  They're just building on and learning from the successes and limitations of previous technology - keeping things that worked, expanding or changing things that needed to be improved, adding new features..etc.  The way you state it, I visualize this 5 year old file, 'the original halflife code'..and there is Valve, cutting and pasting from it - stapling new pieces of code on top of it, trying to get it to work...lol.   

Of course they're not going to reinvent the wheel if they don't have to.  If the BSP format, and using more LOD meshes works best within the Source environment - why not use it?  What does it matter, anyway, if the result is a more versatile, dynamic, moddable, engine?

Gwil said:
Is the mapper an official valve source though? TBH i'm just gonna play wait and see until the game is actually released :smile:

He supposedly talks to a 'Bloodlines' mapper (that other Vampire game using the HL2 engine), but it's been stated before that Source was built from the ground up (perhaps they stole some HL code though- this website was made from the ground up, but of course there are a fair few chunks of old code in it and it's built in a similar fashion!)

Quite frankly, I don't care what HL2 the engine is based on! like finger said, if it works why change it when you can add to it?

That said though, I highly doubt there is a whole lot of HL1 code in HL2, but then... I have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

Critical mass reached, Missinformation fission reaction commencing. Four tons of bullshit turned into pure energy in less than a fempto second....



everone dies horribly.