ok, so im in math class, but we have a sub who is a hard core bible
thumping "christian" (not baptist or catholic or any other demonition,
just christian)

but anyway, she starts talking about how she doesnt like the lord of
the rings, the chronicles of narnia, or harry potter because they are
opening your mind to satan and are against the bible

now im pretty sure harry potter is not satanic, but the chronicles of
narnia are a metaphorical representation of the bible and are in fact
sold in catholic book stores

the lord of the rings, as far as i know, is about world war ii and has nothing to do with the bible

any input

She should be burned at the stakes.

/me starts a lynch mob.

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Narnia is very pro-christian. So she's talking out of her ass.

And last time I checked, the forces of Mordor / Evil are the antagonists, not the heroes.

I guess Harry Potter with its glorification of wizardry could be
interpreted like that. She seems like she shares Dudley's
family's viewpoint.

Bottom line, your teacher is ridiculous.

LotR is more or less war, period. If you had to label it with a specific war it'd be WWI, since that's the one Tolkien fought in. (Did he fight in WW2 as well?? I don't think so, since he was pretty old by then)

Also ... are you going to a public school? If you are, you can get her fired and sue the school district ... with the right attorney. You know ... if you need some cash.

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WHAT THE HECK!!!

LOTR is HIGHLY biblical. In fact, Tolkien is who introduced CS. Lewis to christianity in the first place.

the Chronicles of Narnia is a DIRECT METAPHOR of the bible, for poop's sake!!!!

Who was this sub, fatstrings?

Crono: they can't fire her if the students ASKED for her opinion OR as long as she was not TEACHING religion and merely stating her opinion.

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I was under the impression that most hardcore christians really liked LOTR and Narnia for their biblical allegory. (good vs evil, gandalf/aslan = jesus, etc)

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That's why it was a joke.

I don't know about the biblical implications in most books, so. Whatever. I know he fought in WWI though ... and that's where he came up with the idea. (In a trench, I believe, is where he wrote the first paragraph of the hobbit, which is the first piece from that entire 'universe', so.)

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Dude, Im sure in your country (USA) is is HIGHLY illegal to talk about
stuff like that in front of a whole class. You can get her fired! :biggrin:

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Did Tolken and the creator of Naria (don't really know his name) know
eachother? Didnt they both have a competition to see who could write
the best novel series?

Someone tole me they did, and I think THEY are talking out of their ass, is there any truth to this?

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omegaslayer said:
Did Tolken and the creator of Naria (don't really know his name) know eachother? Didnt they both have a competition to see who could write the best novel series?
Someone tole me they did, and I think THEY are talking out of their ass, is there any truth to this?

Half-dude.. is that you?

</grammar-spelling-nazism>

But hey, they DID know eachother, ergo, my other post that says that they DID know eachother.

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Did Tolken and the creator of Naria (don't really know his name) know
eachother? Didnt they both have a competition to see who could write
the best novel series?

Someone tole me they did, and I think THEY are talking out of their ass, is there any truth to this?

Yes, yes they did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inklings

I appoligize to everyone, it is late here on the West Coast, after many long hours at school I am very tired.

Joe-Bob- Thankyou for the info.

Nickel- becareful, lest we have another "Should half dude bash himself" thread blow-out

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I hate this kind of people. They like to think they actually know
something about Christianity when all they really know is s**t and,
what's more , act on it. They should all be lynched.

They are the kind of people who read the Bible and suddenly become theologists.

Crono - He did not fight in WW2, but he was active. He would
patrol the streets and warn townsfolk of any incoming planes and such.

Anyhoo, 'tis complete bull what she's saying, and I also want to add my two cents without trying to offend anyone.

The thing is, to me, that the Bible no longer really holds much
power. I mean in the modern world, we have almost completely
proven the book of contradictions wrong. Science can do so much
now, and to think that people still live by it is quite amazing to
me.

But I do'nt want to start some kind of debate about, it's just my opinion.

FatStrings said:
now im pretty sure harry potter is not satanic,

no, the bible encourages us all to take up witchcraft, invoke the name of demons, and cast spells.

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<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting fishy</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting FatStrings</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>now im pretty sure harry potter is not satanic, </DIV></DIV>

no, the bible encourages us all to take up witchcraft, invoke the name of demons, and cast spells.

</DIV></DIV>

1)I know its in blue, and could be humor or sarcasm so I am having trouble here distinguishing the intent.

2)Now, as we all know, the bible is a relatively new ideal when compared to some really old religions so using the bible in this sense is restricting the thinking to a measly few thousand years. However, since the teacher specifically narrowed it to Christianity, I can see how its relevancy may be used.
3)I do not see how a Potter book could be Satanic in any way. I really don't.

[Fixed]

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Underdog said:
I do not see how a Potter book could be Satanic in any way. I really don't.

read the blue writing again

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fishy said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Underdog</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I do not see how a Potter book could be Satanic in any way. I really don't.

read the blue writing again</div></div>

Perhaps I should have numbered the lines but only numbers 1 and 2 were intended for you. I know I quoted you but line 3 was in response to the original post. I do not see how the teacher could think Potter was Satanic.
My apologies

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no need to be sorry, people tell me to stfu all the time.

if you're still having trouble understanding the teacher, try reading the blue text from my first post, and know that the colour denotes sarcasm.

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Well I'm a Christian (Somewhat lax in the area of bad language), and I
really enjoy all the three series mentioned, and think any Christian
who believes them to be of the devil is pretty nutso.

I've had this argument with some slight wacko's in my weekly bible
study group. He was arguing that Harry Potter was satanic because of
the magic and witchcraft element, which is a fair point I suppose, but
the fact it is a fictional novel helps me distinguish between reality
and fiction. In defense of reason I said that if he believed this, then
he couldn't watch or enjoy any science fiction movies, particularly
ones that contain creatures from other worlds, simply because the Bible
states that we are the chief creation in the galaxy, there were no
other peoples created by God. By watching sci-fi he was encouraging the
false idea that we are not unique, and that God created other
intelligent life forms on planets other than earth. Therefore making
Genesis a load of bunk.

It didn't really shut him up, but i felt it was as valid as his arguement.

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Isn't it illegal in the US to preach in school?

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Crono - He did not fight in WW2, but he was active. He would
patrol the streets and warn townsfolk of any incoming planes and such

That be what I thought, arg.

Myrk: it's a shady area. While, yes, there is a separation of Church and State there's also a general respect for people's beliefs.

The entire point of that amendment is to make it so religion doesn't influence politics and so politics don't influence religion... yeah,I know, it doesn't work well.

It's like a win win situation, it's just a lot of people still have this idea that they must make others think and believe what they believe. Which is where it becomes illegal, I guess you could call it.

There's a lot of screwed up stuff and people who know much less about it always shrug it off ... even if it really isn't okay. (Religious heads telling people how to vote in an election, for example ...)

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I do think Harry Potter is satanic or satanic influenced. The spells,
witchcraft and all, and also the way morals are handled (Harry breaks
some rules but because he did something awesome he's praised for it?).

Now I can't say too much about it though since I haven't read a single
book of it, it's just what I think based on what I've heard, but to me
it seems these books preach totally wrong morals to our youth.

I have read Lord of the Rings because I heard Tolkien was a christian
and to me it seemed strange that a christian would write about wizards
and other strange creatures. Well, I still don't really know what to
think about it but the story contains morals and besides my dislike of
such creatures and all, I don't think there's something wrong about it.
I'm just unsure about that aspect.

I've also read the Narnia series, while I was young, and I remember
really liking these. It also talks about an evil sorceress and speaking
animals. Well... it displays the sorceress as evil (it also shows how
satan in fact misleads people and finally binds them) and yeah, there's
a moral to these stories. I don't think there's anything really wrong
about this one, either.

Agent Smith: That's an interesting point about aliens. I used to like
these in the HL time, but I've slowly gotten away from that, nowadays I
don't really like them anymore. Don't know why, but perhaps that has
something to do with it. I think it's a good point.

Well, I think aspects like sorcerers in books or non-existant species
are bound to personal taste, and I think you can go very fierce on it
but miss the point of the gospel: people are getting lost and God has
given them a precious chance of salvation by giving His only son Jesus
to die for our sins. To accept that and get a relationship with God
again as he intended is the most important. I think it's a bad thing to
pull people off because some tiny point you don't agree with. If
someone likes Harry Potter, I wouldn't bash him about it and by doing
so making him steer away from God because he just got an example of a
narrow-minded christian who cares more for rules (subjective rules?)
than for lives getting saved.

Now ok, some things have a bad influence, but once a person gets to
know God better he or she also gets a better idea of what God's
intentions are for his or her life. God can bring conviction to
someone's life and that's often much more powerfull than any word you
can speak to somebody.

Wow, long post. :smile:

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Well - Harry Potter breaks rules to fight evil.

A lot of the rules he breaks are ridiculous anyway -- so it's not really instilling anything bad in the youth, imo.

I think 2 things Cappy.

1) read the books before you post on them. It would really add merit to your post. Right now, its a load of crap.

2) you should also look into magic a bit closer. Although there are bad and good versions. It shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject to wad them all into one group.

I don't mean to be disrespectful but your knowledge about Potter is second hand at best. Worse, you probably heard most of what you repeated from non-fans.

My better half studies white magic and I take it real personal when you say its Satanic so casually.

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Underdog said:
I think 2 things Cappy.

1) read the books before you post on them. It would really add merit to your post. Right now, its a load of crap.

2) you should also look into magic a bit closer. Although there are bad and good versions. It shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject to wad them all into one group.

I don't mean to be disrespectful but your knowledge about Potter is second hand at best. Worse, you probably heard most of what you repeated from non-fans.

My better half studies white magic and I take it real personal when you say its Satanic so casually.

maybe by taking the advice in point 1, you would know that, from a christians perspective, point 2 is bullhonk.

as for your other half being a witch, that may explain the spirit of confusion that is evident, as it's one of the first things to manifest in such households.
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I've read LOTR and the Narnia series, just not the Harry Potter serie.
I stated clearly it was my opinion on that serie based on what I've
heard. It has therefor probably not that much merit, but that wasn't my
intention either. Just giving my opinion. I know I'd have to read them
to form it more clearly about them, but right now those books just
don't interest me enough nor do they sound worth the read to me. So, I just wrote
my opinion, nothing more. :smile:

I know people divide magic into white and black, wicca, satanic groups,
and much more, and there's a huge difference in intentions and rules
even within these groups, but I generally see anything that goes
outside Gods laws as dangerous.

I've had a girlfriend who heard voices, saw aura's and predicted
happenings. Not that she was really involved with magic as far as I
knew, but she had those 'gifts'. Looked nice and helpfull at first but
once she started to hear the dates of peoples deaths it wasn't so nice
anymore. Some of these things actually happened. She heard her own
death date as well. Luckily she got saved and nothing happened, God has
set her free of those voices and gave her a new life.

So, I don't even see the need for doing magic when you can get a
relationship with God. Besides I think it's dangerous as you don't know
what spirits you're dealing with.

I understand above story sounds strange and that's what I thought when
she told me about her history too, but I believe there's a truth here.

I also see your point when you say I do it off so easily as satanic, so
sorry if I sounded insulting as that's not my intention. I do think
however there's a danger in these area's thats often overlooked by
people. So don't see it as an insult but rather as a warning. Some
things aren't seen on the short term but devastating on the long run,
and you don't know if you can keep it in hand or if it keeps you in
hand.

I know from personal experience God doesn't deceit, but other spirits will do so.

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there were no
other peoples created by God.

The bible does not say this.

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fishy said:
maybe by taking the advice in point 1, you would know that, from a christians perspective, point 2 is bullhonk.

no offence intended.

Then I guess its a good thing for me that Christians aren't as all knowing as they think they are.

I would rather not allow things to degrade into the spiritual. My intention was only to clarify that I have a vested interest in magic and that I feel its best to read a book prior to having so close minded, or for lack of a better word "certitude" about it.
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Lots of ppl get the wrong Idea.

There is NOTHING wrong with books that have magic and wizards as all that. That used to be something real. For some reason ppl think that any mention of other gods, magic, wizards or witches is somehow EVIL. ITS NOT!!

The bible itself chronicles many accounts of wizards sorcerers witches and gods. It's not a sin to write or read a book with this stuff in it, it's a sin to WORSHIP the other gods.

Fishy, where does harry potter call on demons to aid him?

Myrk- I work at a public school and I've read the rules: You cannot impress your religious beliefs on the students if it's unsolicited. If they ask, or if you state it as an opinion starting with "I beleive" then you are protected. If you jus go in and start baptizing ppl, then yes, you're in trouble.

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Well there are hypogriffs and thestrauls (spelling?), maybe they are kinda demonic. Also if I owned a library I would get the bible and put it in the fiction section. No offense.

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I dont see what the big fuss is about. Theyre just books.

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but you have to realize that most of the people who believe this
bulls**t also think that goth, wikins, and satanism is the same thing

they dont know a damn thing about anything they try to shut down

the worst part, however is that she got all of this out of one of those stupid magazines

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting wil5on</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I dont see what the big fuss is about. Theyre just books.</DIV></DIV>

Seriously, that is what it comes down to...

They aren't religios texts and they're not claiming to be. Even if a little kid DOES try to call a demon to make him fly on a broomstick or something, it's not gonna happen and the little dummy is not gonna try again...

Gaara- No offense taken really, but the bible has been proven countless times to be historical. It's historical with some miracles added in that you may or may not beleive in, but really, you can't argue that these ppl didn't exist, because they are elsewhere in history. Even an atheis will not argue against the fact that there WAS a guy named jesus and he WAS a religios guy and he WAS crucified by Pontius Pilate. Really, I think most people have a lack of understanding of the bible and Christianity, so they just think its a bunch of dumb puritanical rules and bullcrap. But it's really not, and you have to WANT to see that to be able to. So most just don't because it would shatter thier paradigms...

Fatstrings- Mrs Corman was just doing the same thing that Gaara was doing, She heard that something was a certain way and liked how that fit in with her agenda, so she decided to try to shut it down and set it on a certain "shelf" without really reading it and seeing what it was all about first...

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dude shes influenced her son so badly that he told one of his friends
he couldnt play one of those trading card game dealies because it was
against god and opened your mind to the devil

this family has issues

FatStrings said:
dude shes influenced her son so badly that he told one of his friends he couldnt play one of those trading card game dealies because it was against god and opened your mind to the devil
this family has issues

I bet you anything that if someone looked hard enough that there are signs of abuse. People do not normally get this way without something going on behind the scenes.

I'd keep an eye on the son and if you detect anything, report it. Its best to look like a fool than to ignore a potential problem.

and,

Its NOT intruding, and if anyone tells you to mind your own business, tell them to take a flying whatsit.

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Do you really think it will do him any GOOD to have ppl know he actually PLAYED "Magic, the Gathering?" I think it will get him beaten up a heck of a lot more than carrying a bible...

LOL

I was never allowed to play Dungeons and Dragons, when i was younger, because there was other gods in it. I'm just less of a nerd now because of it.

Underdog: I know this family well, and attend church with them. They are great people. They have 2 autistic sons (one mild and one very severe) and their family is just a bit strange, that's all.

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they are nice people

but they need to keep their views to themselves unless someone wants to
hear them, generally when she subs everyone just leaves the room

<div class="quote"><div class="quotetitle">? quote:</div><div class="quotetext">

<div class="quote"><div class="quotetitle">? quote:</div><div class="quotetext">there were no
other peoples created by God.</div></div>


The bible does not say this.

</div></div>

It does actually, perhaps not in those words exactly. Its more that God
and the Bible only mentions creating us and the universe. Not us, the
Klingons, Doctor Who, Jabba the Hutt, and the universe.

I suppose Harry Potter is a bad influence on children, mainly for the
idea that magic and witchcraft can get you things you want. For an
older audience who knows its just a story and special effects its not
really an issue. I agree with you Captain on the point that all magic
is inherently dangerous. Its interesting that LOTR should offer a
example of this. Whether wanting to use the ring for good or evil, the
unknown and uncontrollable power ultimately turned everyone who used it
down the path of evil. This is the same for witchcraft.

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Agent Smith said:


<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>there were no other peoples created by God.

[size=13] The bible does not say this.
[/size]</DIV></DIV>


It does actually, perhaps not in those words exactly. Its more that God and the Bible only mentions creating us and the universe. Not us, the Klingons, Doctor Who, Jabba the Hutt, and the universe.</div></div>

nor does it mention earwigs or woodworm, amongst other things, so do we assume that these things are creations of gene roddenberry's over active imagination? :rolleyes:

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<span style="color: lightblue;">I'd say... yes.

Seriously though, the Bible, whilst not
mentioning them specifically, does claim God created EVERYTHING on
earth. So logic would assume that yes he did create earwigs and
woodworm.

Honestly though, I have wondered about the possibility of other
intelligent life in the universe. It seems likely that at least 1 other
planet out there is capable of supporting life like earth. Why not
another civilisation. The bible can be a bit vague sometimes, at least
to my reckoning, particularly considering the universe was created in
two pages. Especially the amount of time it took to create everything.
Scientists have made estimates of billions (or millions) of years for
the age of the earth, but christians say that can't be right because of
the Bible. The fact the bible was written by man, applying his own
understanding of time and space, means it could be wrong. A God day
could have been a million years, not 24 hours. It's all a bit vague I
feel, no reason why both can't be right. Just throwing that out there.</span>

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The bible also says that God created the Universe, therefore everything in it and possibly other intelligent lifeforms. Just like the earwigs were not mentioned, so were the aliens not mentioned.

Which makes you wonder, do these OTHER civilizations have thier own bible that says "In the beginning God created the heavens and Gleeplax-5..." Thier bibles probably dont mention us, either.

which brings another point: We're created in his image, but are the aliens created so too? Probably so and if so, aliens would look like humans and therefore could be amongst us at this very moment without us being any the wiser!

Futhermore, we could BE the aliens and not know it!!!!

Just to get you thinkin' :smile:

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I know, this was the train of thought I got on recently, and really
does make you wonder. The Bible was written by people thousands of
years ago, when God's were the only concievable entity not of this
earth. I mean, they had enough trouble figuring out the earth was
round. There is the possibility that throughout the enormous universe
that there is in fact many other civilizations, very similar to ours.
When you think about it the Universe is massive, it will be hundreds of
thousands of years at least before we might be able to travel to even a
portion of it. There could be an earth in every galaxy, or even in
every planetary system.

Also raises the question of judgement day. If we are meant to expand
out into the universe, if that is the reason God created it, then its a
fair chance that the end of days is a long way off. But then again I'm
sure the major natural disasters and wars we are currently experiencing
around the world have gotten some people wondering if its not going to
be sooner.

It's all very deep :smile: .

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Really, the natural disasters are going CRAZY...

We've got hurricanes, floods, tsunamis, tornadoes and earthquakes. We've got lots of all of them all over the world. We've got plans in the world to create peace in the middle-east. (Bible says that there will be 7 years of peace before the end times. So until there's peace there, I think it won't come around.)

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Natural disasters are occuring often lately because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is punishing us for not following His path and dressing in full pirate regalia. Here is a graph which proves that global warming is the result of declining pirate numbers:



Obviously, if we want to prevent the apocalypse, we must all return to our pirate ways. Hopefully you all will be touched by His Noodly Appendage and see the error of your ways.

http://www.venganza.org/

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<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Nickelplate</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Which makes you wonder, do these OTHER civilizations have thier own bible that says "In the beginning God created the heavens and Gleeplax-5..." Thier bibles probably dont mention us, either.</DIV></DIV>

This reminds me of an episode of the simpsons where Kang or Kodos (the aliens) say something along the lines of "When your civilization was created thousands of years ago...BY GOD (then they do that cross thing on their chests)". Made me laugh hard.

Also I haven't read the bible . Well not more than a couple pages.
Read the apocalypse one though (a very summarised version). I wonder if it is figurative (i.e the "beast" hs been seen as Hitler or Saddam in the past) or literal. If it was literal it would be a coool way to die.

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That pirate thing gave me a good laugh.

Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if there was seven years of peace then
a nuclear war resulting in the earth being destroyed. Maybe all this
business about quantum physics is forbidden knowledge, maybe when man
learns to use his mind to its fullest potential we will all die. Some
stuff in quantum physics points to the power of the mind to alter
reality, not quite on a telekinetic level, but still physically on a
molecular level (blessed water actually IS different from regular
water, no matter whether its blessed by a Christian priest, Buddhist
monk or whatever other spiritual figures.) There have also been
numerous successful attempts at group meditation to lower a city's crime rates and stuff like that.

<span style="color: lightblue;">Maybe what we need to postpone the apocolypse is a good ol' fashion witch hunt and book burning. :smile:

<span style="color: white;">And perhaps we just need to get back in touch with God (whatever that is) and stop distracting ourselves with television, video games, sports, celebreties (sp?)<span style="color: lightblue;">, the Atkins/no-carb/South Beach diets, penis pills, and all the rest of the crap the world is so damn preoccupied with.

As for Harry Potter, I agree with whoever said children may be taking
it out of context and learning somewhat skewed morals. I do think it
would be ironic if Rowling turned out to be a Satanist though.

As for LOTR, I never read all of the books and haven't seen the movies
in a long time, but I don't recall any real mention of a form of 'God'
doing anything. I think it was more about the moral that power can
corrupt us all.

And I never read Narnia.

On a final note, I hate having (or rather trying to have) spiritual
conversations with the kind of closed-minded zealots like that sub. I
always end up frustrated and in awe of how unquestioningly those people
believe and how literally they take everything.

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