Selective Service.

This may be a bit late in coming, but I never actually gave it any thought until today.

As every American knows, you must sign up for selective service upon reaching your 18th birthday. (If you didn't, you'd better check into it pronto)

Today, I was at the post office, the location for the registration card, and noticed that there is only a male card. There seems to be no such obligation for a female age 18, or any age for that matter.

Now, I know that most females are going to be upset about this because it is a vulgar injustice against them. It clearly says that they aren't equal to males.

Anyway, has anyone else here have any opinions? I'd also be curious to know if any other country has a mandatory registration.

(I wish there were some females around here to get an opinion from their side. I'd like to hear how incensed they are)

WARNING: God has nothing to do with this!

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WARNING: God has nothing to do with this!

Preemptive strike, eh?

I have no idea what selective service is, but my (Japanese) girlfriend told me once that, in Japan, they have female-only and mixed train cars, in case women are afraid of being harassed. The fact that there isn't a male-only car is pretty sexist imo, though on the other hand, i've never heard of men being harassed by women either. Oh, wait...

Preemptive strike, eh?

I have no idea what selective service is, but my (Japanese) girlfriend told me once that, in Japan, they have female-only and mixed train cars, in case women are afraid of being harassed. The fact that there isn't a male-only car is pretty sexist imo, though on the other hand, i've never heard of men being harassed by women either. Oh, wait...

I wouldn't regard that situation as discriminatory. If harassment is common enough to warrant providing the option of alternate transport to women then it should be. If males are also being harassed then by all means they should get a separate car too, but to provide one with no reason other than to create the illusion of equality would be a waste of resources.

To address the original post, I believe that if men are required to sign up for selective service women should be too. As sad as it is to see young lives lost to wars, the notion that only men should die for their country is ridiculous.

Isn't it just obvious that men and women aren't equal? I don't get what all the fuss is about. Being different doesn't mean being less...
For example, I'm an artist. Focussed on visuals. Why should I complain that I can't get a job as a sound composer? It's crystal clear to me that it just won't fit. But I also acknowledge a computer game can't do without sound.

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Orpheus said:
Selective service

Im not sure what this is either, is it to do with the Military?

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It's something about how women's periods attract bears, or somesuch.
If any woman thinks lesser of herself because of this, I invite her to voluntarily enlist, the same goes for any feminist that says all women should sign up for selective service.

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Rumple said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>Selective service

Im not sure what this is either, is it to do with the Military?</div></div>

Selective Service is some politically correct name for Voluntary Drafting.

Yes, its to do with the military Rumple.

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So you have to sign up for voluntary drafting? Sounds like a bunch of contradictions there.

I know in most countries with drafting, females are not drafted, or have less required of them. In most militaries, females are not allowed on the front line. I'm sure theres a good reason for that, at least in the minds of the generals.

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Registering is not a draft.

If, however, a draft every did come back into play, that's the first stockpile of names they'd go to. However, drafts have been in non-existence for decades (in the US).

HOWEVER, it doesn't stop them from sending you trickery in the mail. Like, "Join the Army and get a free hat!", or "Join the Navy, build a career, and get a free key-chain".

Women (OR ANY DENOMINATION OF ANYTHING) only cry about equal rights when they're being treated worse, not better. Unless the particular INSERT DENOMINATION is particularly adamant about equal rights.

I can imagine it now, "WHAT? You're only shooting men in the head? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! I DEMAND THAT I AM MURDERED AS WELL!!"

In other-words, no, I don't think many women will jump up and say that they should be required to register.

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If everyone has to register, then they might as well randomly select citizens when a draft is required, as is normal in most places (such as Australia, my country, where the last draft was for Vietnam and involved randomly selecting people based on birthdate).

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Oh so that's what we were talking about.

I think it's extremely unfair that girls here only have to put-on their uniforms once a week and take the bus to their unit to shoot at a wooden target as part of the cough compulsory cough cough conscription program when the guys have to serve a 4 to 12 month sentence and don't get to go home at all during this period.
They should do the politically-correct thing and make the girls crawl through the mud and "guard the strategically essential fence from saboteurs" along with the rest of us mortals.
They have legs? They can run, albeit not as much as a guy, but still. And I don't see why a girl couldn't guard a fence, or run through an obstacle course.

There just is something unsexy about a lady in a boring old uniform

Andrei in here it's 6 to 12 months and nothing for women. :sad: As of 1995 they've been allowed to serve in Finnish army, if they choose to do so. There were less than 10 women where I served, most of them were butt ugly and they though that they had something to prove to the "stronger sex". One of them proved that she was really unfit for army, but I think there is some kind of a quota they need to reach since after letting her AR rust and crying in front of the men she was supposed to command in battle she was still allowed to continue(she did a lot of other stupid things and got out with a only a warning when a male person would have found himself in deep s**t). There is no such thing as equality in real life.

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As far as I know, no such thing exists in Canada :biggrin:

women serve their country in the form of making dinner and birthing.

hmm i need a half-sarcasm formatting.

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Bewbies said:
women serve their country in the form of making dinner and birthing.

That's what the Bible says! :biggrin: (you didn't think I could slip it in there did you?)

Unfortunately, Bewbies, that is not wnough for women these days and they feel that they need to compete with men in EVERYTHING under the sun. I say if they want to be "Equal," then we need to stop holding doors for them and make thier Military Service as mandatory as it is for men in whatever situation. This will cut down on the population if there were to be a draft, too.

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I would have thought that when a hatred fueled enemy soldier pins you down inside a ruined building and tries to force his knife through your eye socket, a female soldier wouldn't have much chance. Having said that she would probably just kick him in the balls.

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Or cut them off :biggrin:

I agree with nickel. Women want to have equal privileges but not equal responsibilities. The door should swing both ways.

Andrei said:
Women want to have equal privileges but not equal responsibilities.

I hate to point this out but many woman believe that thats the price men pay for shooting all that nasty stuff into them over the millennia. I swear it true.

I don't mean that in a purely crude way either. Most woman firmly believe that. (Well, women word it differently, but the essential outcome is the same)

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Well, If we didn't...? I mean, that's just stupid.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Nickelplate</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Well, If we didn't...? I mean, that's just stupid.</DIV></DIV>

Agreed. However, ask them... Assuming you are on a level of intimacy to where a question of that nature wouldn't get you hit.

Again, this comment isn't meant in a crude sense. Women think differently than men, and how I phrased it is my interpretation of how it was told to me.

When asked what separates women from men, a woman will always use procreation (baby carrying) as the defining difference and that alone makes them superior and why they are exempted from the rules governing equality.... Then they will go into the tangent of... What I said.

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one big factor is the male/female relation within the armed service. aside from the fact that many guys' IQs are cut in half when a woman is nearby, there'd be many sexual issues throughout the ranks. there's already a huge deal whenever two guys are caught hiding the sausage, imagine if there were more women. eeesh

my stance on the issue is that women do have a place in the armed services, but at their own will. someones got to hold down the fort at home.

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We live in a world where the gender roles are so blurred. If a guy can marry another guy, and a woman can make more money than her husband, then I think that women should be drafted too.

I think that it will be like the prison system. One system for women and another for men. completely separate units, platoons, systems and divisions.

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im pinned down in a field, half my leg shredded from a mine, and my ass hanging out in the breeze <-------see avatar***.....i have about 50 yards to get to the treeline and safety.....now, the incoming fire notwithstanding, whos gonna get me to safety on the drag....a 160 lb gal, that the rest of the unit is going to instinctively coddle, or 220 lb ex football jock Otto Mattiche who can sprint to the finish with two of me on his back....?

to me, the combat differences are so obvious its painfull....but all should have to serve in some capacity for at least a 2 year stint....IMHO....yes on registering, but all the while with tact, decorum, and abilities in mind...

Doc B... :dodgy:

^^My thoughts exactly.

On a similar train of thought, local law enforcement/safety places have to have a certain amount of women. Like Fire Stations have to have at least 30% women or something similar.

To me, it's foolish. I want the person who is best capable to rescue my ass from a burning building. I'll feel no different if it's a man or a woman.

:smile: I had one 153cm tall girl in the same company for a while, then she became a sergeant. I'm not talking any heavily build girl here... I'm talking about those a bit larger than fire extinguisher types. I wonder if anyone is ever going to take that one seriously. I know I didn't... :biggrin: I have to agree with Brasso here.

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Ha, I just registered. You can just go to the website and fill out the forms. I don't think it's such a big deal though, since I doubt there will be a draft in the near future - it's political suicide. Sure, there've been some proposals, but they always get shot down.

As for why women aren't allowed to register, I think the reason is obvious - no one cares to change it.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Flynn</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>There just is something unsexy about a lady in a boring old uniform </DIV></DIV>

you either forgot the blue text, or there's something wrong with you.

or me. :biggrin:

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Pvt.Scythe</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>There is no such thing as equality in real life.
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Dr Brasso said:
im pinned down in a field, half my leg shredded from a mine, and my ass hanging out in the breeze <-------see avatar***.....i have about 50 yards to get to the treeline and safety.....now, the incoming fire notwithstanding, whos gonna get me to safety on the drag....a 160 lb gal, that the rest of the unit is going to instinctively coddle, or 220 lb ex football jock Otto Mattiche who can sprint to the finish with two of me on his back....?Doc B... :dodgy:

now henry does scare me...

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Despite being a "civilized" country, Sweden does have conscription. Personally, I think its inhuman to even have an army, and its beyond evilness to force people to do training which teaches them to kill other people.
Women aren't included in this conscription, but they are allowed to do national service if they prove themselves to be mentally and physically fit enough.

In Sweden everyone gets an personal ID when they are born, because of this, the Government keeps track on everyone and sends them demands to do "national service" when you get 18. Its practically impossible to avoid the initial tests to see if you're fit to do service. If you refuse, the police will come and get you.

Luckily the Swedish army is being cut down all the time, so there are actually many young men who are not allowed to do conscription even if they want to. The good thing is that almost everyone who doesn't want to be in the army doesn't have to.
I've heard that there are many women who wants to do national service, why is beyond me.

But this is my personal view, and I'm an extreme pacifist who train Karate in order to protect myself and the attacker in cause of an assault rather than just protecting myself.

Man I miss the good times where a discussion could begin-carry on-and end without anyone being awful. When I re-read this I had to laugh because Nickel found a way to insert "GOD" into it anyway.

Does anyone besides me sift way back when threads?

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Nope, I tend to live in the now and near future than in my past. Oh my past is not forgotten but I don't trips back to it to relive what I believe are the glory days.

But I have to agree this was a good topic.. but note how us discussing it changed anything of how the world works..

Orpheus said:
Does anyone besides me sift way back when threads?

No. Nobody is as obsessed as you.

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Perhaps then master Adam you should suggest we have an auto delete after a year or so. Why pollute the entire board with the good ol days.

If we ain't gonna use them why bother retaining the damned things.

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Please retain from unleashing your passive aggressive personality on me. It was an answer to your question, not some movement for removal of archiving features, so stop overreacting.

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Orpheus said:
Man I miss the good times where a discussion could begin-carry on-and end without anyone being awful. When I re-read this I had to laugh because Nickel found a way to insert "GOD" into it anyway.

Does anyone besides me sift way back when threads?

I do, I am sifting back through this one as we speak. Man, the things I said as a 16 year old

G4MER said:
Nope, I tend to live in the now and near future than in my past. Oh my past is not forgotten but I don't trips back to it to relive what I believe are the glory days.

But I have to agree this was a good topic.. but note how us discussing it changed anything of how the world works..

I disagree, I adore to look back on memories from the good ole' days!

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