Religion & Tsunamis

Natural disasters are nothing new, but at least in this country right now a lot of people are discussing God and "why" he may have caused this tsunami. I would like to know if anyone's faith has changed at all due to this event (in either direction) or has been challenged at all, and your own religion-related thoughts on this topic :smile:

As I type this there is an interesting debate on the radio, with a Christian, Muslim, and Hindu- in a nutshell, the Christian says the topic is hard and it doesn't matter as he has Christ and it is how we respond that matters, the Muslim says that the more we suffer in life the greater our reward in the afterlife (which is what it's all about), and the Hindu says that we have interpreted god incorrectly and he's not this all-powerful, all-loving thing we think he is, which we have imposed on him, but is something more "fundamental" to the Universe's working.

Personally, this hasn't changed my "faith" one bit (I am an atheist) as far worse has happend under God's Nose, though it is interesting from my standpoint to hear the political non-answers being given out by all the religions- I heard one argument that it was actually our fault as we as human beings have the ability to prevent this sort of thing from happening (though the counter-arguement is that if a God caused this he full well knew what would happen). And I get the sense that some may regard this as a "test", but a test by which god?

I'd say that I would be more inclined to side with your Hindu. The view of the personal god that does good for the good and punishes the bad obviously doesn't apply here (unless only the righteous live in-land). God doesn't answer prayers or smite the wicked. I'm sure we are all part of some grand scheme, but in my opinion god doesn't care enough to start tidal waves, nor sadly, does he care enough to rescue people.

Personally, I find religion to be the easy way out of trying to explain something. Besides, if there was/is a God, wouldn't it/he/she have become bored of toying with us thousands of years ago?

It's like playing with an ants nest in the back garden. It's fun stamping on them and watching more flood out, but after a while it gets boring and you just go and pour the boiling water in there and kill the whole damn lot of 'em.

No, I don't think 'God' had anything to do with it. It was a terrible tragedy, and we should be looking more into how we can help these people rather than stamp 'religious' connotations to it.

ive always seen religion as a powerfull tool to control the mass amount of people.

now as far as i know there cant be a god.

some some simple reasons:

1. we are here on earch, a tiny planet in the galaxy, the milkway, the
milkway is in the galaxy, that is all very small. now lets take a big
ass red giant(dying star). it sucks up all of its energy in a black
hole(collaps of the energy). those will be 2 giant bundles of
energy(gamma-radiation). those beams destroy everything on there way.
so if one will hit earth then where screwed. and that is a BIG chance.

2. there a millions of comets on a possible intercept course wiht
earth, as far as i know where are lucky that where still here. because
one of those probably destroyed the dinosaurs.

now why would some god want this to happend to us?

i hope i explained the 1 point right, i cant really translate it very well to english.

lol pepper, you kinda reinforced the possibility of a god by the fact
that we havent been hit by a big ass red giant's radiation yet = P and
that its a big chance. Bout the comets well we have lived through em
all. Not to offend your beliefs as this of course is a flame free
topic. About the tidal wave and earthquake and all its a horrible
tradgedy it could be a test or it could have been a nice ol' friendly
slaughter that have been planned to come around along with bunches of
other stuff "all water on the planet turning to blood" "war" "mass
famine" "diseases" to see who in the world is left that have faith. so
u hear
bout waters turning to blood or mass dissaperances = P on the news,
good luck. There supposedly will be a time when people will want to die
but arent allowed till the 7 years of wrath are up. oh yes my faith has
grown for christianity answering the first q = P i do believe in a god,
and i do believe he caused the disaster,I don't feel bad for the ones
that died because they are dead and are *beyond our world(depending on
your religion) .. i feel bad for the ones that are living and without a
home,without food

How the hell can anyone's view of God be changed by a natural disaster? Last time I checked tectonic forces are what caused the tsunami, not some supernatural force. It boggles my mind that anyone could think otherwise, but I'm well aware that it happens. Some Americans probably believe this, and it pisses me off. It's not like science and religion can't mostly coexist for crying out loud.

bah, religion, don't get me started!

Ok, it's not the most popular idea expressed but as far as I can say, this 'natural' disaster has New World Order written all over it. Now that the countries effected by the disaster are annihilated, the 'Saints come marching in' to save everybody while taking over. This is what's been done for years, it's called 'problem-reaction-solution', or 'Order out of Chaos'. The same old globalist puppets are 'joining together' and urging 'global co-operation' in order to save everyone. Of course it would be great to save lives and help those affected, but you must realise that the Globalists are truly evil and will exploit a disaster to introduce new methods of gaining total control.

The Globalists have always sought to develop a one world government, a global fascist state. This agenda has been happening for years, and if you open your eyes you should see that it is nearing completion. Now that the Middle East is under Globalist control because of the so-called 'War on Terror', other regions of the world affected by the disaster are now going to be under Globalist control. The Red Cross, those who are in charge of 'saving lives' will keep most of the funding as they did post 9/11.

It is also a fact that the technology to manipulate climate and earth activity exists today and has done for some time. Why use conventional weaponry when you have the technology to manipulate climate and earth activity and cause a 'natural' disaster?

This also makes sure that there is no great outrage at the attrocities committed. It would appear as though a 'natural' disaster was responsible for the deaths and not the political enemy. A nuclear bomb would cause great devestation but also cause great outrage in the public spectacle. And for all the religious people it would appear that 'God punished the enemy'.

Go to:

www.prisonplanet.com

www.infowars.com

www.davidicke.com/icke/headlines

To find out about this information.

Anyway, that's enough said for now. I'll talk about it later.

How the hell can anyone's view of God be changed by a natural
disaster? Last time I checked tectonic forces are what caused the
tsunami, not some supernatural force. It boggles my mind that anyone
could think otherwise, but I'm well aware that it happens. Some
Americans probably believe this, and it pisses me off. It's not like
science and religion can't mostly coexist for crying out loud.

bah, religion, don't get me started!

:wink: well if he created the world wouldnt he know all the tectonic
actions of the future? *im not gonna smear ur beliefs = P i can
understand where your coming from, my bro feels the same way. and
secondly please dont stereotype it into americans = religious people :wink:
cuz most ive seen arent. religion is something that man has always
belived in , nobody really knows why. But it can give a man pride ,
hatred , and love. Religion is possibly a manifistation of our
emotions. Either way i still believe in mine

Gtg

First off I'm American, so I detest my fellow Americans being stupid. Secondly, I'd say that the US is undergoing another religious re-awakening (or whatever they're called, I haven't taken US history in ages), and as a member of a minority religion (Catholic :biggrin: ) I'd rather be spared all that bulls**t. But instead we have Bush in power and people voting over morals instead of issues...it's very obvious that religion is reemerging in the American psyche.

God is punishing the infidels. (those nice hindus were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.) insert irony here

Christians were the least of the casualties. Indonesia has the largest muslim populations in the world. This is not what i REALLY THINK, per se, but rather just a random theory. If christianity IS the right way to go, and muslims are attacking christianity, maybe a god that loves his peeps is sticking up for them by kicking ass in the biggest muslim country we've got. But i dont thinkgod would do that. that is about as fair as Islamists trying to kill ALL christians for the bad deeds of the crusaders and the English in the 1800's.

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<DIV class=quotetext>it's very obvious that religion is reemerging in the American psyche.</DIV></DIV>
From where I am ppl are just now starting to get OUT of religion. I live in the redneck hills of missouri, we're behind the times here...

I don't really believe in God, guess I just believe in people helping people. And that's what's for us to do.

Well, the bible states that in the end of times disasters and wars will
be much more frequent, so it's rather a reassurement than a blow to my
faith...

As for such disasters, I don't think God creates them as a sort of
punishment. Each person shall be judged after his life for his own
actions (and unless they've accepted Jesus as an offering for their
sins, they'll have to pay the price for their sins themselves). I think
it's much more the curse of sin that came over this world after Adam
and Eve disobeyed God that causes these events.

Anyway, it's not fun what's happening. I hope the survivors can stay alive and help will arrive where it's needed...

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<DIV class=quotetext> Secondly, I'd say that the US is undergoing another religious re-awakening

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side note: i have noticed this too. i have real issues with churches the size of shopping malls going up everywhere, yet people are still hungry. i have issues with my tax dollars helping put them up, and i have REAL issues with them not paying taxes on the building and whatnot.

most of this i have heard through the rumor mill, so i am not positive about the tax parts.

the way i see things going, its a last ditch effort to re-instill the fables and pagan belief system into the newer generations. i have met good people, and bad people, but being religious never signified which you would be. in fact i have met more genuinely evil people whom profess religious beliefs. shrugs

anywho's, i do however believe that natural disasters make you wonder about your place in the scheme of things. no one wants to face their mortality. and when its driven home so strongly as when something in nature takes a punch at you, people tend to look for the easy way out.
i know they will never outlaw religion, but i sure wish the people would wise up and smell the coffee. :sad:

I beleve it was all to do with the movement of tectonic plates not the wrath of almighty god. I beleve there is no god because the bible was written by numerous people even for one part there are four different versions of the book of genisis (i think its geninis I know its one of the first ones)

and the main thing that makes me beleve there is no god is that its supposed to be male and supposed to have created the world and hevens in 7 days now no man would have done that much work on his own for not really any reason in 7 days it would have taken him much longer I'd say acoupple of years at least.

Well, the next agenda in the New World Order is a One World Religion, most likely Christianity. Muslims, who are being demonised everyday, are going to be put in FEMA concentration camps in America, this is admitted, these are the current proposals.

Those of you who don't know, Al-CIAeda was funded/trained in America and hired to carry out the attacks on September 11th. Problem-Reaction-Solution. The official explanation of 9/11 is falling apart and people are beginning to realise the whole thing was a stepping stone to a global fascist/police state. Already 9/11 has enabled them to create the human rights-removing Patriot Acts and Homeland (In)Security.

War on Terror = More terror attacks and alerts and general scaremongering.

War on Illiteracy = More Illiteracy

War on Drugs = More Drugs

etc

Probably next-up: War on Natural Disasters = More Natural Disasters

Yak, you'll have religious people argue that god moved the techtonic
plates, constantly hitting the subject with science wont really make a
good argument.

That seems a bit extreme Jahzel, but I guess it is realistic - the US faked the moon landing for a plethora of benifits.

For what it's worth, Im athiest, and I despise all goverments and such
forms of power. Bah, Life is just one big conspiracy theory. :biggrin:

Good to see someone else who is interested in conspiracy

Yeah, the moon landings were faked. Notice how the so-called 'skeptics' try to debunk anyone who tries to uncover the moon landing fraud. Makes you wonder just what a skeptic is nowadays.

Don't throw us off-topic with some fake-moon-landing and conspiracy nonsense please.

Anyway, perhaps some god didn't set off the earthquake itself, but he still would have had power to stop it...

well, here is my theory about the earthquake:

the whole globe is divided in pieces of landmass whom move free over
the magma of the earth. once in a while one hits another, at such a
point then can move over ore under eachother ore push up mauntains.
when this happends under see this makes a tidle wave. a so called
tsunami. a god wind if i remeber right. some of these tsunamis are in
the beginning harmles, no more then a movement in the see. as soon as
they approach shallow water they start growing in height and and and
speed. now there getting dangerous, boats are getting sucked up in the
waves and taken to the beach. as soon as the wave enters the beach it
will destroy everything on its path. the first wave isnt the worse. its
a whole series of waves whom makes the destructive effect. the people
where actualy lucky that the waves where not that high, there are
reports of 30 meter high tsunami waves.

lets go back in time to the year 1946. a earthquake on a island in front of the west-african coast.

this earthquake caused a landslide and half of the islands slides a few
metres down. a trench now excist in this place. the vulcanos calm
down and everyone picks up there life. then research start thinking
about things that WILL happend. the stone combination in the island is
strange, there are giant solid walls in the island wich causes the
water to be stored in some reservoir under the ground. but thats not
the problem yet. when one of those vulcanos go crazy, one of the 2 is
active at the moment. it will be bad. the stored water will boil, but
it wont get away and causes a hugh presure on the rocks. then the magma
is getting is way up and turns into lava. now we have a problem! the
water is expanding big time and ripping the island apart.

wiht a staggaring pressure one half of the island slides into the see,
the part that is sliding into sea is so big that it will cause a
tsunami. this tsunami will head for the east coast of america wiht a
wave height of 650 metres and a between 750-100 kilometres a hour. it
will reach the coast in 8 hours, at this time there will be not much
left of new-york.

this is a very precautious model of swedish researchers after years of
work. its very hard to create such a thing. so it might be bigger of
smaller, there not sure.

imagine how many victims this will create.

this all doesnt sounds like the work of god, and i certainly do not
believe in a fake book written by some author noone knows.it might be a
best seller, its still a bad story.

and of god did create the earth, he did a damn bad job. placing us in a unfavoreble place.

oh and a meteorite did hit the earth, one metre long in 1906(not sure
of date) in russia, it hit a forest, trees where blowen down to the
ground in more then a kilometre radius.

and remember the gulf of mexico? possibly created by a meteorite. and the crater in america(dont know where).

and offcourse the best of all: the moon.

scientists think the moon once was a part of the earth, but in the
early years th earth got hit by a meteorite, it ripped the earth apart
in 2 peaces, the second one became a satalite of the earth: the moon.

and a few years ago a meteorite of a few kilometres dodged the earth on
a few hundredhousend kilometres if im right. so where not safe at all.

and IF we manage to survive 3 billion years then we have our own sun,
its at the half of its age, it got about 2.5 3 billion years to go. so
we better make sure where out of here then.

Orph- How are tax dollars going to build churches?
AND they don't have to pay taxes because they are NON-PROFIT organizations that work off of donations. We have "separation of church and state" which LOTS of ppl keep getting hung up on. :rolleyes: they want the 10 commandments out of a courthouse, but they don't mind the churches helping to pay for the country's expenses. If the government does not support the churches why do they have to support the government? If we are going to be sticklers for "separation" then we have to let it go both ways.

And, what is your problem with BIIGGG churches? We've had those for a LONG time.

(by the way, I'm writing this in a non-angry/non-defensive tone, just asking some questions and making some points.

PS, to PEPPER, When the water explodes in a volcano it's called a "phreatic Explosion"

i dindt know the word in english.

we have had way to many "religious/church" threads already. search backward if you really must know my views, but i don't really feel like rehashing the topic yet again.

sorry bud, ain't happening. :/

The Tsunami was a terrible thing, and if scientists are right, there will be another one shortly, and maybe a third. I feel for all the families that have lost freinds or relatives in the desaster.

But, personnaly i feel that it doesnt matter, as the world has precious little resources left to last us. I think its too late to "change out ways" Bush, or someone similar will bring about the end of the world within a few years, thats my outlook. Maybe not quite so close, but 10, 20, 30 years down the line your gonna be scavenging for food (if you survived the nuclear blasts or total socio economic breakdown into anarchy) and you are gone remember Mad Max.

As for religions, no offence to anyone, but no amount of worship or awaiting the messiah will save us, we are all doomed, so we may as well use what precious little time we have to live our dull, insignificant little live that in the end will have no bearing on the universe.

Because you see, time, is just a foolish human invention to justify the reason we only live so long, Big Bang....ha....another follish thought for those who willl not accept reality, the universe was never created, or formed, it has always existed, and always will.

So, have a nice day, and remember, we'll all be dead by this time next year...

don't be such a negative nancy. That's why you only have 80 snarkmarks, it's because you're very pessimistic. :biggrin:

no its because my PC keeps breaking down and i cant update my maps very often :razz:

It is utter idiocy to interpret a natural disaster as an act of God. I have my own strange theology which isn't challenged in any way by this event, but I don't feel like going into it now. IMO if this disaster is a probelm for you personaly, you haven't spent enough time contemplating your faith. Blind belief in anything is the truest form of evil I have yet encountered.

• Jahzel -

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If you had any grasp of physics or thermodynamics you would never suggest that humans can control meteorological or geological events. I'm not even going to challenge your "conspiracy theory" crap since it is obvious you are a true believer. My contempt for you is boundless at this point.

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• Pepper -

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I think you are a little off base about the likelihood of death-by-supernova, and likewise the bad placement of the earth. We are in about the best position you can imagine, but does that mean we won't get smashed by a meteor? No. As you say, it has happened before.

I very much like your point about the death of the Sun. It is something I have thought about quite often. It says in the Bible that no man will know when the end of the world will come. I guess God had better hurry his ass up and smite us before the sun becomes a red giant and engulfs the earth huh?

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Then there's that whole "matter is unstable" proton decay bit. Oops.

Its an oppinion, not something to be demonised like the muslims.

(As predicted, uncovering the complete and utter lies and garbage the government spills out results in ridicule. If people were to just read about these things instead of rubbishing them off, maybe we have a chance of stopping this global tyranny.)

"Ignorance is bliss."

tracer-

Not everyone even knows what thermodynamics is. Some don't even know what PHYSICS is, they think it's when you can shoot a barrel in HL2 and it falls over. Don't make ppl feel bad about it. :biggrin: If they wanna have thier own uneducated or religious beliefs let em.

Ignorance is not bliss, it is the enemy. You are certainly allowed to have silly opinions, but I can't let science fiction stand as fact.

Well, the next agenda in the New World Order is a One World
Religion, most likely Christianity. Muslims, who are being demonised
everyday, are going to be put in FEMA concentration camps in America,
this is admitted, these are the current proposals.

Those of you who don't know, Al-CIAeda was funded/trained in America
and hired to carry out the attacks on September 11th.
Problem-Reaction-Solution. The official explanation of 9/11 is falling
apart and people are beginning to realise the whole thing was a
stepping stone to a global fascist/police state. Already 9/11 has
enabled them to create the human rights-removing Patriot Acts and
Homeland (In)Security.

War on Terror = More terror attacks and alerts and general scaremongering.

War on Illiteracy = More Illiteracy

War on Drugs = More Drugs

etc

Probably next-up: War on Natural Disasters = More Natural Disasters

A lot of your "conspiracy theory" is just hearsay, imagination and
outright lies. If you're interested in attacking western powers, don't
dwell on this "OMG FASCIST POLICE STATE THE GOVERNMENT HAS CHIPS IN OUR
BRAINS!" rubbish, it's all nonsense.

Focus your energy on questioning the Western powers role in world debt,
world poverty, legacies of colonialism, unfair trade agreements and
political jockeying in the former third world.

The government wants your tax and your input into the economy, it
doesn't want your soul/identity/life/civil liberties. That trash is so
unfounded and off the mark with what really matters.

And no this isn't me defending the American administration, honest.

Back on topic...

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<DIV class=quotetext>tracer-

Not everyone even knows what thermodynamics is. Some don't even know what PHYSICS is, they think it's when you can shoot a barrel in HL2 and it falls over. Don't make ppl feel bad about it. :biggrin: If they wanna have thier own uneducated or religious beliefs let em.

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That is my biggest pet peeve with the world.

Anything that questions 'the official line of events' in detail is always subject to mass ridicule, labelled as some kind of conspiracy, you get called a conspiracy kook. It's usually mainstream media and so-called education which makes sure that this attitude stays firm within the minds of the populous. It doesnt even matter if there is proof, if it is documentd, admitted, none of the truth is excepted, only rubbished.

[edit]And I'm sick of it folks, I'm sick and tired of this mass delusion that states that the Government is good and would never ever lie to us. Hasn't it occured to you that the same globalist scum-f**ks are responsible for the mass third world debts? Hasnt it occured to you that aids was introduced in the third world? Hasnt it occured to you that the 'vaccinations' being issued are killing more people in the third world than any actual illness?

If you want to believe the lies being spilled out by these creatures, thats your problem. I'm against global tyranny and government corruption and I will always be, I will never give up telling the truth and spreading it until I realise the human race is no longer enslaved by this nazi-like agenda.

I mean let me just put this into picture here, because I think it is important to know that our government is a lying, fascist organised crime syndicate.

This is CNN, 'Secretary of State Colin Powell said Tuesday the outpouring of American aid and humanitarian help in the region devastated by the tsunami may also help Muslim nations see the United States in a better light.'

What does that tell you about the globalists and their little minions such as Colin Powell?

Also, CNN, 'A Thai expert says he tried to warn the government a deadly tsunami might be sweeping towards tourist-packed beaches, but couldn't find anyone to take his calls.'

There was prior knowledge of the Tsnumai but no warnings were issued.

We are living in times of a Global 'Nazi' like State being constructed unseen all around us, and it's time we start analysing events and understanding how they correspond to the New World Order. The Tsunami couldnt have come at a better time for the Globalists.

Also, CNN, 'A Thai expert says he tried to warn the government a deadly tsunami might be sweeping towards tourist-packed beaches, but couldn't find anyone to take his calls.'

Ever seen Jaws? Key word(s), tourist-packed. They'd rather risk thousands of deaths than a false alarm and thousands (if not millions) of dollars. Horrible priorities and results, yes, but global conspiracy, no.

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That is my biggest pet peeve with the world.

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if i read this right, it is one of mine as well.

i know of some highly intelligent people whom believe in religion, but the ideals tend to prey on the ignorant. there are exceptions, but for the most part the uneducated are harmed most.
anywho's, if i read this wrong.. my bad.

You're serious aren't you? Oh my.

I wouldn't believe everything you read/see on TV/read in half baked
conspiracy websites. Most of what you have said so far is unconfirmed
rhetoric based on buzzwords cobbled together by paranoid/egocentric
drop outs of society.

Plus, its not on topic.

looks around

whom are you talking to? this thread is all over the spectrum.

Jahzel and his "Fascism is taking over on the sly through American aid cash" ranting.

I used to be a less extreme version myself, but once you read on the
topics you realise there's no conspiracy, or attempt to cover it up.

If you want dirt on the Western powers and their treatment of the
Asian/African world, you can find it in the open - no conspiracy
involved.

Edit - BTW, Jahzel - you are treading on very dangerous ground. There
is a dozen more people here who can shoot down your conspiracy theories
in flames, and show you the real dark depths of intrigue of global
politics and trade movements.

Just because we disagree with you it doesn't mean we believe "the Government is good for us".

I resent your attacks on aid donations to the Indian Ocean as well -
America is running a hugely unstable and stagnating economy, putting
out cash to an expensive war and has problems with unemployment and to
imply that their giving of cash is merely a way of exercising a
stranglehold on the region is not only religious, but pretty rude to
their generosity as well.

They can't afford to mobilise their colossal military and throw $500m
dollars at just anythjing, and I for one applaud their moves to help
the people stricken by this disaster

If someone is organising an agenda behind your back which states that you are going to be enslaved, guilty until proven innocent, a terrorist under the patriot act if you commit any act of misdemenour 'which endangers lives' such as criticism of governmet policy and anti-war protest, guns taken away, your homes searched without warrant, your children taken away to quote 'secret locations' (FEMA concentration camps), FEMA 'civilian' camps being built incase of a security alert, microchip implants that 'can help find your children if they get lost and prevent terrorism', compulsary ID cards, biometric fingerprint scanning to enter your grocery store, shredding of documents, that they know prove that 9/11 was a hired event that could possibly be requested under the Freedom of Information Act, the assassination of Gary Webb, the guy who uncovered the CIA drug Trafficking Operations that lead to crack on the streets of LA, found dead in an 'apparent suicide' (official explanation) with 'two bullet wounds to the head)... The corruption is endless, folks this is a conspiracy, they are conspiring behid our backs, get used to it, theres alot more sh*t to come.

Just read the documents, read about the Patriot Act Legislation, read PNAC (Project For A New American Century) documents, - read their official line that states "we needed a Pearl Harbour Event' (9/11), read about Operation northwoods, the simulated preperation of World Trade Centre attacks prior to 9/11...

Anyway, thats enough, I'm not here to create chaos, I'm just 100% dedicated to finding out the answers that could one day make a difference. And map.

THE WORLD IS FLAT! IT'S ALL A HUGE CONSPIRACY! :rolleyes:

I think you understood me correctly Orph. :smile:

However, I'm not against all religion. Only religion that denies thought.

Tracer, I'm not a patriot, I believe the world to be round

I beleve it was all to do with the movement of tectonic plates not the wrath of almighty god. I beleve there is no god because the bible was written by numerous people even for one part there are four different versions of the book of genisis (i think its geninis I know its one of the first ones)

and the main thing that makes me beleve there is no god is that its supposed to be male and supposed to have created the world and hevens in 7 days now no man would have done that much work on his own for not really any reason in 7 days it would have taken him much longer I'd say acoupple of years at least.

i hope you're being ironic... Everyone with a bit of common sense knows it's pure and utter bs that it would only have taken 7 days to create the world and life. more like multiple thousands of years. just like adam and eve, wtf? monkeys are our ancestors. The point is dont take the bible literally and dont use it to base your judgement of wether there is a god or not. The bible is only usefull for its parabels ( using simple real life stories that tell about good human behaviour), and its symbolism ( allowing ppl to interpret things in a way applicable to them). In the end interpretation lead to the different religions, but they all come down to a "force" that some ppl call god. I think the whole point of religion education in school and communion etc. is that you interpret that "force" in a way, and maybe this interpretation overlaps with a certain religion, or maybe not.

argh, i feel like the father in Seventh Heaven

I think gimp is being sarcastic, saying that men are lazy f**ks and women do all the domestic slavery :biggrin:

AND THATS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE GIRLIES!

the 7 day creation idea is universally accepted as a metaphoric representation only. no one actually believes it took a week.. the number denotes phases, or time frames not "days"

? quote:I think gimp is being sarcastic, saying that men are lazy f**ks and women do all the domestic slavery :biggrin:

AND THATS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE GIRLIES!

Thats exactly it gwil. :biggrin:

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I was getting at the fact that it supposedly took god 7 days to create everything yet it has taken me nearly a year to paint my room now if I was a woman then I would have done it in a day or two (or it could just be that im lazyer that most other people when it comes to doing things round the house).

Mine too. Except I tolerate Religious beliefs. Uneducated ppl are one of our bigest problems in the area i live in. possible the WHOLE usa...

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Gwil</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I think gimp is being sarcastic, saying that men are lazy f**ks and women do all the domestic slavery :biggrin:

AND THATS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE GIRLIES!
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That's right! Maybe a man has had a hard day doing REAL WORK and wants to sit down and have and damned beer! The woman needs to be cooking some food for him.

How many men does it take to open a beer?---
NONE, it should already be open when she brings it to you!

? quote:the 7 day creation idea is universally accepted as a metaphoric representation only. no one actually believes it took a week.. the number denotes phases, or time frames not "days"

Umm... Do a little research sometime... There are several fundamental Christian groups (Mainly the YEC (Young Earth Creationists)) that DO believe firmly in this. They believe that the earth is only 6000 years old, and state that fossils were planted by God himself to test our faith. You can't make this up.

the 7 day creation idea is universally accepted as a metaphoric representation only. no one actually believes it took a week.. the number denotes phases, or time frames not "days"

unfortunatly there are a few narrow minded bible followers that do take it literally. but it has indeed improved with time. just think of the anti-darwinists at the time :/

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Monqui</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>? quote:the 7 day creation idea is universally accepted as a metaphoric representation only. no one actually believes it took a week.. the number denotes phases, or time frames not "days"

Umm... Do a little research sometime... There are several fundamental Christian groups (Mainly the YEC (Young Earth Creationists)) that DO believe firmly in this. They believe that the earth is only 6000 years old, and state that fossils were planted by God himself to test our faith. You can't make this up. </DIV></DIV>

sadly, this only goes toward the "ignorant" comment earlier stated :sad:
OK then my bad, some do believe it still. :/