SnarkPit Server

Thanks for that Reno, it'll be good to see how my monster plays online.

yet another fantastic map i found recently.. if you have not played "dm_carousel" you are cheating yourself.

el f**k? im recommended as an admin, why didnt i see this before now :/

I don't feel
the need for more admins, maybe 2 more at most. It's up to these guys
and if they need more admins on the server.

If you were to appoint new admins in my absence, my first
recommendation is natus due to sheer amount of time he spends on the
server :razz: .

You mean this. The first line SHOULD demoralize you :smile: .

i dont think that my opinon counts the most at this point, but i think
that we need more admins, not because i want to be an admin, but since
the new maps got on the server there has been some errors (there still
is) and i think that someone should fix it, and since the admins we got
now haven't fixed it yet i think that more admins would be good for the
server.

An admin shift, designed in such a way that there will always be at
least 1 admin online whenever you play, would be nice. The
snarkpit server is a jungle! It's become a habit for hobos to
swear at eachother, to voice-spam and generally to misbehave.

one in each time zone, well... most major ones.

one in each time zone, well... most major ones.

That would be ideal.

indeed it would

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That would be ideal.

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Dream on guys.. :rolleyes:

/me dreams on

More admins are needed. The current three of us are never around and
rarely play in the server just now, and any errors that require the
restart of the server can go unfixed for a long amount of time. I'll
give some thought to who is suitable soon, but my first thoughts are
NatUS and Andrei as its those guys I see playing there most often.

ReNo said:
More admins are needed. The current three of us are never around and rarely play in the server just now, and any errors that require the restart of the server can go unfixed for a long amount of time. I'll give some thought to who is suitable soon, but my first thoughts are NatUS and Andrei as its those guys I see playing there most often.

playing often should not be the top prerequisite however. no offense to those two members of course.

you should post a thread, see whom is interested then decide from the list. being an admin does not really suggest that you know who is best beforehand. you may be the one deciding, but you may be considering people not interested in the position.

besides, you may chose someone that we do not want in the spot.. thats not likely, but it could happen.

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being an admin does not really suggest that you know who is best beforehand.

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Agreed; might I add that most people tend to consider having admin rights a privelage rather than a responsibiliy.

My concern is that we don't often have an admin in the server.
Its all well and good giving out admin positions to the more
established community members, but if it isn't increasing the amount of
time the server has an admin present, it doesn't seem like something
worth doing. Gwil was never looking to give out too many admin
positions, so I personally think he would have wanted a few active
admins as opposed to lots of "once a week" admins.

Starting a thread isn't a bad idea, but I wouldn't like to embarrass or
offend people by refusing them admin positions. If nobody asks, and the
opportunity is offered out instead, this isn't going to happen.
Obviously people can feel free to refuse of course :smile: If you feel you
would make a beneficial admin, have been around the pit for a
reasonable/active amount of time, and can play in the server quite
often, then feel free to get in touch via PM and I'll be happy to
discuss it.

besides, you may chose someone that we do not want in the spot.. thats not likely, but it could happen.

thats right, if some power seeking guy gets admin he might ban people for killing him and stuff like that, and it would be sucky

ReNo said:
so I personally think he would have wanted a few active admins as opposed to lots of "once a week" admins.

heres a thought, what are the odds of everyone not being available at the same time?

i mean seriously, wouldn't it be better to have 20 trusted members who only show up a few times a week, than to have a full time crew of malcontents?

i am not suggestion that the position would be abused, but i am more apt to trust people i have known 5 years than 5 months.

i originally turned down the position because i truly felt that i would not be there often enough to be of much use, BUT i am around or available and someone could have PM'd me and said "hey orph, we have an asshole in the server right now, can you log on and ban him"

i feel that anyone could do that and not necessarily be fragging 24/7

consider it.

/me considers

I've admin quite a few servers and my personal veiw is that active
admin are much better becuase you need some one there to ban the smack
tard. If you dont have people on the server, even though they are
around and able to pop on and ban, who will know how to find
them? Some random player isn't going to run and join our IRC
channle just to get some guy kicked.

Give admin to people who play alot, try to spred it out over the time
zones (americans are good to police the early day europians).
Watch them from time to time, if they abuse people need to report them.

Though, on a side note. I've lost my admin on two servers becuase
non-admin see me ban some one, and dont understand why (like they join
the server and see me ban some random guy) so they report me. So
I would say, pick people who play alot and wont go crazy with
power. Also, dont give people full admin. Leave the banning
to the head admin.

DrGlass said:
Also, dont give people full admin. Leave the banning to the head admin.

its my belief that you should give people enough power to identify IP addresses and then allow the full admins to ban them. it would be beneficial to have more than one of these people at a time, to verify the offensive player however. i can tell you from first hand experience how easy it is for a moderator, or admin to abuse their powers. one of them was right here in the predawn days of snarkpit. fortunately, he was caught and dismissed.

anywho's, just to clarify my position, i think we need more full admins, but we need more moderators that have powers enough to identify who needs banned.

Some random player isn't going to run and join our IRC
channle just to get some guy kicked.

doc this is what i used to do when gwil was still here, i stopped playing and shouted at him untill he fixed the problem :razz:

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doc this is what i used to do when gwil was still here, i stopped playing and shouted at him untill he fixed the problem :razz:
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i am not the only person here all day when i am home.. it would take moments to minutes to get a hold of me if you saw my name in the "online" list.. /methinks that anyone here, who is an admin on the server is as far away as a PM.

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If you feel you
would make a beneficial admin, have been around the pit for a
reasonable/active amount of time, and can play in the server quite
often, then feel free to get in touch via PM and I'll be happy to
discuss it.

I have a reasonable amount of free time on my hands daily and can play
on the server quite often and feel the temptation of PMing, but
i'm not going to; it feels embarassing. I ,for one, simply
cannot PM someone and say "Gimme gimme gimme". :sad:

if its any consolation, i got my ass royally whipped once again on the server..

i can honestly say, snarkpit has some good players.. i also feel a bit of it, a small bit of it is due to having a ping less than 100 :razz:

forgive my small excuses for being a loser :/

Hehe, I wouldn't begrudge you that Orph, I've come up with much worse excuses than that in the past :biggrin:

Andrei, I mentioned you in my post before, and I'll do so again. If you
feel you can handle the responsibility of being an admin, the place is
yours. You've been here a good while now and I see no reason not to
trust you with the position. You play on the server more than most
people and seem like a responsible guy, so I think it would be great if
you could admin. Even better, you are what, -3 hours on GMT?
Besides Australians, we don't have that many long time members that far
east that come to mind, with the exception of Fraggard in India.

I would volunteer to be an admin for the Australian time zone, but the
fact is I rarely play what with my terrible ping, and thats mainly when
other pit members are on so I don't mind lagging it up.

Andrei said:
An admin shift, designed in such a way that there will always be at least 1 admin online whenever you play, would be nice. The snarkpit server is a jungle! It's become a habit for hobos to swear at eachother, to voice-spam and generally to misbehave.

What time of the day (GMT or whatever) does this usually happen? I'm going to be in there more often now, with my bannination tool at the ready, though if someone wants to tell me the rcon command to view a player's Steam ID it would be appreciated :evilgrin:

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What time of the day (GMT or whatever) does this usually happen?

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EET-> Around -3 or -4 GMT, not sure.

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EET-> Around -3 or -4 GMT, not sure.

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that would be either Greenland, or off in the Atlantic Andrei :/

my time zone is -6, the east coast is -5 the Atlantic ocean begins in -4 and i doubt there are many cities either floating, or on the ocean floor

tell me, where do you live, and what time is it locally.. i bet someone can figure it out. not me, but someone. :smile:

[edit] now that i think about it.. i cannot recall if i am -6 or +6

disregard my comments, it only shows my lack of.... something.

Hmm GMT +3. Just checked (just played on the server and checked the time ; 8.58 GMT and my clock shows 11.58 ).

As you move West from GMT you go nevative, I'm -5 GMT orph is -6, Romania is going to be + GMT becuase it is East of GMT.

yo all, reno sed to post my steam id in the clan section of the site i cant find one :s so just wondered should i post it here to reg for teh snarkpit clan?

ne ways my steam id is neoshock2k

Uncleste

I guess all clan things should go in here... post your Steam ID if you want to be considered for it, and don't ask me who's in charge of it :smile:

Nooooo man, there is a thread in the general banter section about the
clan, its called "HL2CCL begins" because that is the name of the league
we are in :smile: You steam ID is a different thing to your username by the
way - you can get it by typing "status" in the console during a game.

Ahha, thanks mate, this will make things a bit neater :smile:

Great. so when is the next match?

Our next official match is on Sunday 24th (ie. this Sunday), at 19:00
GMT, versus the clan 2H2K. A couple of their players play in the
snarkpit server reasonably often, and they seem like reasonable though
not exceptional players. Their map is dm_station17 with friendly fire
off. Server details haven't been announced, so I'll post that up once I
know.

We may also have a match with the.nine sometime if they reply to my thread on the HLCCL forums, but they haven't done so so far.

Station17 is a horrbile map, arg! I played it the other day and
was blow away with the low level of craftsmenship. There are
doors that arn't solid and props, like computers and tables, that are
static rather than physics...

Station17 is a horrbile map, arg!

I agree. Punkt.

Is this going to be another 4vs4 game? I think I might be able to play aswell. We'll see.

At least it has a reasonable layout and vertical play :smile: I agree that
the non-solid doors were a really rather horrible design choice, but
the author said he didn't want to impede flow. God knows why he didn't
just remove the doors or make them fixed in the open position however :biggrin:

how does GMT relate to east coast america, time wise?

Just search for a convertor on google to find the local time for yourself, such as this one...

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

East coast is -5 hours from GMT, if its 10pm there its 5pm here.

Leperous said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>An admin shift, designed in such a way that there will always be at least 1 admin online whenever you play, would be nice. The snarkpit server is a jungle! It's become a habit for hobos to swear at eachother, to voice-spam and generally to misbehave.

What time of the day (GMT or whatever) does this usually happen? I'm going to be in there more often now, with my bannination tool at the ready, though if someone wants to tell me the rcon command to view a player's Steam ID it would be appreciated :evilgrin: </div></div>

Urgh, stacked quotes. Er yes, anyway - if you want to ban/kick someone, just use the popup admin tool--accessed via the console--failing that, just type "status" to show a list of Steam ID's currently playing. You don't even need to be logged onto rcon to do this, so I encourage people to screenshot spamming/hacking and write down the relevant steam ID.

The steampowered forums have a big list of shared Steam ID's you can copy into our current banlist, for example I have pretty much everyone who was banned from the K-9 server copied to it already (mostly for using the entity spam exploit)

You can do all of that in your Windows clock in the bottom right corner. Just find the relevant time zone, flick to it and it will display the time there.

And you guys call yourself geeks, sheesh... :razz:

After much consideration i have reconsidered my opinion of being a server admin.

it prolly won't make me play any more, but having the ability to fix things when i am here has its advantages, even if someone were to only ask me to do it once in a while.

considering the alternative if someone were to ask me now, it seems prudent.

if you have a slot available put me in. if one comes open, lemme know.

i do however have a question, are there multiple levels of admin? i mean, i helped with ours, but i had full access, i could do anything.. that is not really my goal.. i would want to only be able to say reboot it if it crashed, or take note of an offending members ID number to report it as a reliable verifier..

in other words, a bargain basement admin.. one you can call upon if no real admin is around.

We don't all have occasion to find out world times as often as you Gwil :razz:

Actually, I don't think anybody but Gwil, Lep and myself can reboot it
:sad: To reboot it you are required to use an rcon command, and to use
that you need to know the rcon password (as far as I can gather). At
the moment Andrei and NatUS only have admin access through the mani
server plugin, which allows them to change maps, kick and ban, and the
like, but I don't think they can give specific server commands.

On the reporting abusive/troublesome players, anybody can actually do
that, so I encourage people to do so if there is any bother. Just type
"status" in the console and it will give you a list of all the players
in the server and their steam ID.

ReNo said:
Actually, I don't think anybody but Gwil, Lep and myself can reboot it :sad:

didn't mean to steal anyones thunder. :biggrin:

whispers

i talked to Lep, he will assign me some duties as soon as he can. :smile:

thanx Duncan.. i didn't know it was that involved.. as i said, i had full access to our server, i didn't know it was difficult to assign specifics.

/me didn't mean to be any trouble. :sad:

No no, not at all mate. To be honest its a bit of a concern that you
need full access to restart the server, as there are a couple of fairly
common bugs in HL2DM that require it to be restarted, and so it would
be nice if everybody could do it. I don't know how gwil would feel
about giving out rcon access to all the admins though, so I'm loathe to
go ahead and do it.