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Wait maybe this should be in the art, or HL2 editing.. admin move it if I posted this in the wrong place.

You could use displacements to build one corridor "section", then
simply clone it along to get the length you desire. Additional details
such as the tendrils and slimey bits would probably have to be modelled
to be done well. Together with some shiney/slimey shader using custom
materials of course.

This is a pretty tricky post to categorise, as there is no "right"
answer and its more of a design discussion than technical problem. For
future reference though, your other question thread was more suited to
the editing problems forum (split into seperate posts of course - just
read the rules :razz: ). I don't think this is too badly placed :smile:

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I agree with reno.

Or you could make the ribcage in 3dsmax and convert it to a mdl file
and just make the floor out of displacements. It would certainly
improve the map's performance.

Who wouldn't agree with Reno? :smile:

I mean.

Who wouldn't agree with Reno on mapping?

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Damn you and that clarification, I was going to use your first
statement against you to make you agree the Xbox is a good console :razz:

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I know. That's why I put it there. :biggrin:

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Damn you and that clarification, I was going to use your first
statement against you to make you agree the Xbox is a good console :razz:

Did something happen with the xbox? (besides the fact that microsoft is a money leaching monster)

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Did something happen with the xbox? (besides the fact that microsoft is a money leaching monster)

It was....... Made...?

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Ive never used the 3DFX program, or a modeling program. but I agree I
think making it a model would help performance.. and then have the
section connected to a TECH like area.. and blend it in with brushes.

But the displacements sounds like something I could do.. I may give it a try..

If Fishy was around Id ask him to try and make the skeleton.. he is a great modeler.

yeah Id like to give this a try.. I think it would be pretty killer,
and with the right lighting and sound effects, pretty scary too.

You don't use the Source engine to make it. Done! :razz:

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Oooooooh burn! I can't help but feel the professional industry has turned you into a bitter old man Andrew :razz:

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Well, now that my playful jab is in, the explanation:

Displacements on this would seem to be suicide. They're handy, yeah, but certainly not intended for over half of what people seem to try and do with them and from what I've seen written in guides on how to do some of the advanced stuff the time involvement is simply not worth it ("this might take a couple hours" - WHAT??? :razz: )

If you want to build this in a level editor, you'd want to do it in D3 or a d3 engine title. You'd be able to pull off a lot of it by hand. But even given my preference for that technology, I still wouldn't try it myself. :smile:

That leaves modeling it. You could make some great modular chunks and string them together for a nice creepy, gooey tunnel :smile: This would drop into source or unreal easily, though I'd kill myself before trying to line up organic models without the ability to see anything other than a poorly aligned box in the grid views :wink:

So, in the end, you didn't build it using the Source engine, but all of the big 3 are still viable options for the finished product. :razz:

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Here's how valve would do it. They would use a prop model and it would be COMPLETELY useless for any purpose other than this single hallway...

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Haha..

Yoda say:

Had if I for time this, myself would it do I.

(remark: with displacements, they are very easy to render and just a nodraw cube around them would do it :smile: )

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Here's how valve would do it. They would use a prop model and it would be COMPLETELY useless for any purpose other than this single hallway...

...your point? At best, you could do it in a couple modular sections, but the most effective translation would be a single-use piece. Even in SC:Ghost itself, it might be modular and dropped in where appropriate, but it'll probably be one tunnel.

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My point is that I'm disappointed with the props system. Something horrible happened to the concept of "brushwork"

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Brushwork was always clunky, but back in 98 you could get away with it.

If you can make a complex object out of brushes, thats great, but a model will look better and run better.

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That's not Valve's 'fault', it's the way games seem to evolve these
days. People aren't satisfied with blocky architecture alone anymore...

Anyway, modelling, definitely. It allows animations as well which can give some killer effects... :biggrin:

Oh, and KFS, people who go overboard with dismapping creating things
that takes hours... isn't that why some people say the devil is in the
detail? It's wasting time in general on details and unimportant
perfectionism, not specifically overestimating displacements, I think.

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Better than Ghost Recon. The entire maps are models. (Like BF, I think)

Which is why they can be so open and large.

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BF is basically a flight sim engine... the map is a hires heightmap, with models for decorations. Good for vehicle-based gameplay, but it does seem a bit weird when youre on foot.

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Well. Props are one of the reasons why I started learning modeling. If
you want anything complex it's easier to model it instead of fooling
around with brushes or displacement maps for hours and hours... Of
course it's not nescessarily as easy to model something as it is to
create it out of brushes, but gamers are more demanding these days.
It's all about great visuals...

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My point is that I'm disappointed with the props system. Something horrible happened to the concept of "brushwork"

The entire point of props is for stuff just like this. Nothing "terrible" has happened to brushwork; all 3 major engines still use it and Source and Doom3 still heavily use it (particularly the latter). There are just things it can't do. This is one of them.

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I said "horrible."

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This would drop into source or unreal easily, though I'd kill myself before trying to line up organic models without the ability to see anything other than a poorly aligned box in the grid views :wink:

Ahh, but you get the full 3D model in the 3D view though... You can also turn on the grid in the 3D view, so its not so bad.

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You know when i used to map for Quake2, the editor, Qoole, would display a full wireframe of every model in the grid views... Why cant we have this today? No one knows.

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Hammer is about the only editor you'll find that doesn't support that these days :sad:

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You know when i used to map for Quake2, the editor, Qoole, would display a full wireframe of every model in the grid views... Why cant we have this today? No one knows.

I bitched about that constantly to auto when 3.3 or 3.4 or whatever beta version it was added the model support for HL. Source is indeed the only engine whose editor won't give you that courtesy.

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Is there another tool, as easy to use as HAMMEr that does allow you to map for HL2 games?

Nah, I don't have trouble with the missing wireframes in the 2D views.
Could easily become way too cluttering and I don't really like having
to create more and more visgroups to continually switch between. Only
thing is, their 'bounding' box changes when you rotate them and I think
if that's changed, rotating and moving models would become much easier
in the 2D views without cluttering the view.

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MoneyShot said:
Is there another tool, as easy to use as HAMMEr that does allow you to map for HL2 games?

Not as easy to use, but there's that "radiant" crap that doesnt display all 4 views at the same time... Dang I hated that...

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Bleh, you only need 2. I enjoy donating an entire monitor to a single grid view. :smile:

Don't get me started on how much more pleasant Radiant is than Worldcraft/Hammer :wink:

(although, the one with HL support was GTK, which I tend to avoid, too... so maybe we're on the same page there :razz: )

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I can't wait to travel down that colon.

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Reviving a 3 day old thread for that little comment eh? :razz:

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He just cant let it die.. I will do my best to make this. I am hoping a
modeler can make it though and it can be handed out to everyone to use
who wants too. I dont have any modeling tools yet. What should I get
that I can try?

I recommend 3D studio max personally, though whether or not you want to
hunt that down probably depends on your principles :wink: Softimage XSI is
the "official" modelling program for the source engine, and there is a
free version you can download legally to build models for it. Milkshape
is another alternative - it has a 30 day trial and is only about $20 to
buy, and while not hugely powerful in its range of features, is capable
enough for building prop models and is simple to learn.

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