SnarkPit Server

if its a matter of trust, i think i qualify. i would however only be concerned that someone like me could inadvertently create a condition to where no one could gain access due to something done accidentally.

is there a way to safeguard that the server is always accessible to the most important people?

I don't think there is anything that you could do that would screw the
server over so much that nobody could access it indefinately. Worst
case scenario would most likely be that the server would crash and we'd
need to wait for the people at 4uservers or something to reset it, but
even that would probably be hard to do.

To be honest its a bit of a concern that you
need full access to restart the server, as there are a couple of fairly
common bugs in HL2DM that require it to be restarted, and so it would
be nice if everybody could do it.

wispers 'Had to restart the server last night because of the
penetration error. :sad: Isn't there any other way to get around this bug?
I hear mapchange doesn't fix it.

I can play.

i know you posted the 24th as the next scheduled event, and i appreciate it. i also appreciate if you give me as much notice as possible for any other events.

i may be home the 24th i dunno yet. if you need a body give me a yell prior to the game.

it may literally end up a body, but you will just have to deal with that.

BTW, what country are these things being hosted in? hopefully, they move them around so no one place has the clear advantage in pings every time.

give me a yell the morning of the 24th, if you need a handicap player, i will fill that slot nicely. :smile:

Its all UK hosted Orph - its primarily been a European league since it was formed many years back :sad:

How did you restart the server Andrei? Is there a restart option in the
rcon section of the admin menu? I tried adding one but when I went into
the server it wasn't up. Might just have needed a map change in order
to load in the new rcon options list though.

And yeah, a server restart is the only way to fix most of the bad bugs :sad:

im not sure, but typing reboot in console works for some plugins

Is there a restart option in the
rcon section of the admin menu?

And yeah, a server restart is the only way to fix most of the bad bugs :sad:

Yes!

you could always flood the server untill it crashed, and then it would auto reboot.

I think it would be a very bad idea to give out the rcon password to
anyone, and even worse if they didn't know how to use it. Rcon
can really screw up a server if the admin changes something by mistake.

Reno, I just had to restart the server again after the penatration bug
kicked-in on dm_underpass. Somehow, I think that this bug has
something to do with this particular map. I suggest removing it
from the mapcycle for a while to see if the problem persists.

I have heard that, like Steamlab, Underpass is a prime cause of the
screwy physics error (I assume this is what you are referring to?).
I'll take it down I guess, as some server admins on the Steam forums
were saying it causes the error around 1/4 of the times its played.

Uhh...me and Natus keep having problems checking some clowns' ids out. We keep typing status
but the troublemakers' names just aren't being displayed. We can't fint
the desired names in the kick/ban lists either. How can we fix these
hacking bastards' wagon? Me hears that VAC can counter this kind of
thing?

I've never heard of this problem, so I'm afraid I can't offer any
advice :sad: Are they using cheats or causing trouble? Or is it just not
being able to see their ID's that is worrying you?

well, not being able to see their id may be because they're using hacks
(or h4x0rz), but VAC is pretty good to have anyway, then all the lame
cheating bastardous people will get permbanned when joining the server.

well, not being able to see their id may be because they're using hacks
(or h4x0rz), but VAC is pretty good to have anyway, then all the lame
cheating bastardous people will get permbanned when joining the server.

Lets hope, VAC v.1 didn't do a very good job because hackers just had
to keep there hacks up-to-date and they would be home free. check
out counter-hack.com (i think thats it) its an anti-hacker web site
with a wealth of knolage about hacks, etc.

That's right ReNo, you can't actually perform RCON commands via Mani admin, it seems to be the optimal system.

Also, if you need the FTP/RCON details forwarding, give me a shout. I imagine Lep has done it already, but just nod and I shall do.

counter-hack.com (i think thats it)

.net, bud :smile: .

OK, I'm in .. thanx go to our glorious leader :smile:

i went online just long enough to verify that the admin is working.. so Lep, yes it seems fine.

so, if you notice me in here, and you need something done in the server and cannot get ahold of anyone important, gimme a yell.

i prolly won't actually play much more, but am more than happy to help if i am able.

me goes to bed now.. this was a long run. :

nite/nite

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LOL, i got to thinkin what i wrote, and decided to clarify.. i prolly won't play more frequently, just because i can do things. :biggrin:

i was just about to go to bed and thought, "man, that sounded like i was not going to play much longer as in quit"

test post- Duncan said the "clan" portion was borked.

[edit]

either its been fixed, or its only Duncans problem.

/me is confuzzed

Well I can access it now, so I guess its fixed :smile:

I was actually kickin ass and the damned server kicked me back

/me can only hope it was on my end, cause i would hate for the server to have a bug :sad:

Now I know that from time to time I am a bit of a pain, but unless you guys are embarrassed in some way, I think you should update the message that loads with the server to include all your assistants.

There are currently only 3 admins listed.

Also, my slide bar is all pink checkers, I cannot seem to scroll down below "Rules:" .. Is there more message below?

I don't mind the pink checkers, cause I think I can pretty much envision the rules, but others might say they didn't know if they cannot scroll down. :/

Assuming I have the ability to alter said message. I think it would be overstepping my authority to do so without permission. I have not looked into it so I leave it to those whom can to alter things.

BTW, I have only used "Change Map" and it worked just fine, so everything seems peachy.

I still do not know why I was kicked out last night however. :sad:

i used to get the pink checkers with the MOTD, but it disappeared with one of the recent updates.

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<DIV class=quotetext>i used to get the pink checkers with the MOTD, but it disappeared with one of the recent updates. </DIV></DIV>

what is the acronym? /me suspects i know, but i don't wanna sound stupid. :smile:

and i am updated, obviously with steam, but do you think its my card?

its nothing major, since it only seems to effect the message thing, but still it has me thinkin. :/

MOTD = Message of the day

The pink checkerboard on the scrollbar, and the lack of being able to
scroll, is a bug in the game I guess. It happens on most servers I've
seen, and I don't see any way to fix it :sad: Only reason the list hasn't
been updated with all admins is because nobody has gotten around to it
I guess, I'll do it when I get a chance. We need to try and keep the
MOTD quite short in order to fit in one screen to avoid the bugs I
mentioned, but I'll need to tinker with the layout a little in order to
achieve that.

By the way, why did you post this in the "theme suggestions" chapter?

What does everyone think of dm_runoff?
Personally, I don't care too much for it. Connectivity seems pretty bad

• it's too big to run around on foot. While all the junk in the canals

helps, I couldn't help but think the map felt a bit rushed, like it was
an excuse just to release a canal-themed map. Although I hate to whine
about Valve maps this much, I really didn't like this one. (I was happy
to see that my soulless mimicry of the canals style was pretty accurate
though)

But, seeing as it's official, I assume you'll put it in the rotation anyway? shrug

"dm_carousel".

The map searchengine needs to be betterfied. Definitely.

Hmm, dm_runoff doesn't seem to be finished- there are several obvious graphical glitches, not to mention terrible connectivity as a result of someone forgetting to build a doorway between the two ends of the canals (check out the "hidden area" that links the two which you can only reach by noclipping)

Me suggests a snarkpit clan night once a week or so so we can practice amongst ourselves.

Andrei said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>"dm_carousel".

The map searchengine needs to be betterfied. Definitely.
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What, by listing maps that haven't been posted on this website?

Oh, I thought it was. My bad :smile: .

ReNo said:
By the way, why did you post this in the "theme suggestions" chapter?

I assumed the message was part of the theme. if not, sorry my bad. :/

Andrei said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>"dm_carousel".

The map searchengine needs to be betterfied. Definitely.
</div></div>

No, its not here, but i don't know where else to post great maps that might get onto our server someday.

i fear that they will be lost if i post them randomly :sad:

BTW, I just inspected the wonderful map called dm_runoff. Pants. Its BAD. I can't believe this map is VALVe made (is it?).

Ok, for a start the map has a very bad layout and many imperfections.
For one, I managed to get into the background by sprint-jumping off a
catwalk over a fence. No player_clip brush, no anything to stop the
player from falling outside the game area. The textures are pretty
repetitive too. What's with that concrete texture on that cylinder
thing, which I assume is a large oiltank or something? Another thing
that bothered me is the light_environment which doesn't go right with
the sky nor with the sun; too yellowish. What else? That rock wall
looks looks like it were man made, the props are
scattered around as if they were caught in a tornado and, since most of
the battle goes on outside, the players just kill eachother in a line,
in a matter of speaking. I guess I am
being a bit harsh but being an official map I had higher expectations. I
usualy think an official map should be out of the ordinary, to make
other mappers look up to it and be inspired by it. DM_runoff is just
plain. I'd give it a 6/10. Harsh?
Maybe, but if it were made by an amature mapper it would have been
worth at least 7/10. Shame. :sad:

I've taken dm_underpass off, and dm_runoff won't go on, simply because it's rubbish. Surely they've made a mistake with this map, in addition to what we've all already pointed out- it's nothing like crossfire!!

They never said it was going to be like crossfire though, its just the
airstrike in the bunker that is the comparison between the two. Andrei,
I think 6/10 is far too generous to be honest, the connectivity is a
joke. Looks not bad, though nothing special. Interior bathroom looks
like a very poor attempt to copy lockdown's shower area however :biggrin: I
can't believe the distance you have to travel from the canal ends
before you get a choice of route, and there are only about 3 times you
can "switch" route if you travel from one end of the map to the other.
Quite an abysmal effort, and no way is it going on the server.

Good call removing underpass as well, caused quite a few crashes
apparently. I'd be inclined to remove resistance and morbid as well,
and possibly add in a few others from outside the site, but I know Gwil
was keen on keeping it to snarkpit maps.

We will definately need to start a clan night, but I think we should
discuss that in the clan chapter of the thread. Orph, theme suggestions
are meant to be suggestions for organised events like playtesting
nights, interwebsite wars, etc... Doesn't really matter that you put it
here (we still read it after all :biggrin: ), just seemed a bit out of place.
No matter :smile:

Ok guys, lets pick a night for a clan practice. I suggest wednesday is a good day, but what time?

Same time as games, so about 9pm?

Sounds fine to me - as long as its before 10pm or after 11pm I'm happy
(I'm, quite sadly, not willing to miss desperate housewives :biggrin: ) to be
honest.

I really can't understand how a bsp like so many others can cause these
bugs. The problem must be somewhere else, now that I think of it. Maybe
the server gets a penetration error at certain intervals of time. The map playtime being fixed and the mapcycle constant, underpass will always be on at the same hours. I believe the fact that the whole thing goes to pot on underpass could very well be a coincidence.

Also, I played alot of underpass these last 3 days on our server and I didn't have to reset the server at all.

Morbid and Resistance have both been taken down. I'd like to see some more new maps up there, but there's been a lack of new, large, quality maps here recently :sad:

my new map will be...well it will probably have some pretty nice
combine brushwork, i dont know about the size yet, the layout right now
is a bit like island 17 (a tower thing with an rpg, underground
passages and such).

you can think of it as a combination of rebar and island 17, but with combine theme xD

Morbid and Resistance have both been taken down. :sad:

Resistance? Resistance has been taken out? I thought underpass was the troublemaker.

Btw, did anyone atleast read what i've said in my previous post?

Btw, did anyone atleast read what i've said in my previous post?

i did, and i found out that you typed "looks" two times in a row...nevermind.

i must agree, when i heard that a new valve map was coming and that is
was going to be like Xfire, i said "och yay" because i loved Xfire, and
i still do, but this looks like the valve dudes got bored and went like
"aww f**k that, what about putting a car down there in the dryed out
canal thing and then just f**k the rest?" and then valve dude #2 went
like "yeah thats a great idea, people will love it because that we are
the valve dudes!".

but people didnt, when i was testing it my first impression was "WTF is
this crap, but hey, theres a car in the dryed out canal thing".

a wise man once tought me never to put cars in such places.

edit: oh sorry, that was the wrong previous post

Andrei, I'm not basing the theory it is the maps on our own server
experience, but more the general concensus. Looking on other forums,
loads of server admins are complaining about Steamlab and Underpass
being the worst offenders for server issues (mostly the physics
penetration issue), and they are the only maps I've seen the error
occur on.

Resistance and Morbid are just pretty poor playing maps, hence them being removed.

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when i was testing it my first impression was "WTF is
this crap, but hey, theres a car in the dryed out canal thing".

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Oh yeah, and given the fact that some moron at valve forgot to link the
"hidden tunnel" to the rest of the map, the rating is down to 4/10.
Thats -2 points because I didn't think valve were capable of doing
something not even the dumbest newbie would do. SHAME ON THEM.

Thought some of you might be interested in seeing whats happening in
the cup so far. Below is a link to the tables after the first two
matches (our first match was a no-show from the.nine, still waiting on
a response to reschedule so will be taking default 3 points for win I
guess)...

http://www.hlccl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49304

Also, here is the fixture list for next week...

http://www.hlccl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49303

We will be playing 2H2K on the SC server at 21:00 GMT (same as both
previous matches). Their map is dm_station17 with FF off, and ours is
dm_torque with FF off.

I've broken down and reinstalled steam and HLDM. I'm going to the
snarkpit server now if anyone wants to join me. It'd be nice to
play with all you guys.